Eric Stevens wrote: 2juh91dlhhuq9fbf9gb0016t9l0k0sa1jt@xxxxxxx,
"Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
You have frequently accussed Inger of racism and have linked other
people into this kind of accusation when they do not immediately
and violently reject the idea of a pre-Columbian norse presence
in NA. I would be careful before you continue to level
accusations of racism in this matter. In particular, I would
first remove the quite large chip from your not entirely German
shoulder.
I'm sorry to have to say this to you but you have been far too
effective a cheer-leader in this matter and you must realise that
accusations of bias on racial grounds cut both ways.
Where is or was Phlilip promoting the suggested legacy?
He is not even promoting his own country.
Please say sorry, and not 'sorry to have to say it',
but a straight 'sorry I said that'.
I'm sorry but you won't get an apology for what I replied to Philip.
Philip has told us in the past that his ancestry is mixed German and
Native American. It is the latter I suspect that makes him so
defensive of any attempt to suggest that the Norse may have played
any part in the pre-Columbian history of NA beyond that confirmed by
L'anse aux Meadows.
In the past he has variously labelled me and Michael Zalar as
pushing racist theories but I have let that go. He has called Inger
a racist in the past on on the grounds of her theories and opinions
as to the ancient activities of the Norse. I don't know about you
but I don't think that they on their own justify such a claim.
That Philip's arguments are themself racist in nature is indicated
in the article to which I responded, by the way in which he stacked
up the claims of this race/country against that race/country and
culminated with the statement that "A person in a far off land
cannot lay claim to the sweat of someone elses brow, rhetoric will
also not add to the claimants spirit or take away from that already
come to past. An ancient sled dog on a sled team strolling across
the canadian ice deserves more credit for the discovery of american
than 'your' sweden".
It doesn't seem to me that Inger was trying to say that the Norse
were superior to the native americans. Rightly or wrongly, she is
merely trying to say that they were there. That Philip's rejection
of her has little to do with facts is indicated when he wrote " I
said about cryptoracism and ethnocentrism. We were looking for a
motivation and we seem to have found it."
I don't think repeated use of such arguments has any place in this
news group.
Eric,
In the first place, what made me real sick and angry was your
"" In particular, I would first remove the quite large
chip from your not entirely German shoulder. ""
In my eyes and ears that is a despicable racist remark,
or at least a remark from a racist.
I still think that cries for an excuse to Philip, even if he is
not asking for it.
In the second place, to answer your question:
I aggree with Philip's -in my eyes- sincere arguments
and conclusions. I see no reason to blame him for that;
and let me tell you that my racist sensitive nerves are
very weak.
I disaggree with Philip that we seem to have found the
motivation where we are looking for. In my eyes that was
clear long ago.
In Inger's case that is no big deal for me because
I regard her as a socialy disturbed pitifull scrap
of humanity, totaly out of sync with reality and blind
and deaf for the opinions and feelings of other people.
I don't call Inger a racist, but a nationalist with a
inferiority complex is always in danger of beeing called
a racist.
What realy worries me is that she is allowed to teach.
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