Re: Why only crap in this NG? (was Wolter claims ...)

On Mon, 30 May 2005 07:09:11 GMT, "IEJ" <Iejohansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>news:o13l91de6bmmblvglsfserj9al7fpp46m9@xxxxxxxxxx
>> On Mon, 30 May 2005 02:27:24 GMT, Philip Deitiker
>> <Donevenask@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> says in
>> >news:cpqk919grm7rpgsshetksmghvqlan08ogu@xxxxxxx:
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>> >>>There are people and there are times. She is arguing Norwegian
>> >>>and Swede after 1350, not Norse during the 11th century.
>> >>
>> >> You seem to be equating Norse with Viking. They are not the same
>> >> thing.
>> >
>> >The Viking period ended at the end of the 10th century. The
>> >greenlanders were christianized thereafter and would have been Norse.
>> >The swedish state with recognized borders did not begin until 1323,
>> >however a partial definition was in place by the 12th century. Prior
>> >to that people would have been informally called Swedes if they were
>> >from eastern trading portion of the viking world, prior to 1323 there
>> >was a contested claim over finland, so at that time the Swedish state
>> >would have been Swedo-finnic.
>>
>> All of which is correct.
>
>Not at all correct. Sweden's borders were recognised in a tract between
>Sweden, Denmark and Norway in early 11th century. Officially the consensus
>refer to the 12th century meeting in Kongahälla 1101, but there are
>fragments left of the earlier meeting which was held in Olof Skötkongungs
>days. Sweden as a country is documented long before that. Unfortunatly for
>the Icelandic Sagas which tried/tries to make believe that it started in Old
>Uppsala there are documents older than the mythical Bråvallaslaget which
>confirms that there was a type of union between the Goths living in
>Wisigothia and Ostrogothia on one hand and the group living around
>Aros(Västerås, Västmanland) in Migration Age whenever enemies were
>attacking. The oldest mentioning of Sweden as a country goes back before
>migration age and stipulates that it starts on the eastern shore of Wigotha
>Elf.....
>
> They all come under the umbrella term
>> 'norse'. See http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Norse
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>Not in Medieval Age. That's a later fabricated word which assumes that the
>Roman Historians meant the same with the Latin words they used for 'Nordmen'
>and people living in the Nordic countries.

You will have to argue with the dictionary. It says " Of or relating
to medieval Scandinavia or its peoples, languages, or cultures."
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>In Medieval Age up to 1390's there were a clear distinction between the
>three Nordic countries: Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Finland belonged to
>Sweden as it done most of the time since Hermaneric's days.(Roman and East
>European sources up to 1115 AD) What's also forgotten is that the real Kvens
>up to around same period were in majority north of a line from Gävle to
>Bergen.

But what are Nordic countries if not Norse?

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Eric Stevens

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