Re: Why only crap in this NG? (was Wolter claims ...)


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
news:32vm91lh0n6btaui52str87javcgg1k93v@xxxxxxxxxx
> On Mon, 30 May 2005 10:49:38 GMT, "IEJ" <Iejohansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:gpll91t2rmi6uu58m6p8j1chjmqeds0vdt@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> On Mon, 30 May 2005 07:09:11 GMT, "IEJ" <Iejohansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
> >> >news:o13l91de6bmmblvglsfserj9al7fpp46m9@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> On Mon, 30 May 2005 02:27:24 GMT, Philip Deitiker
> >> >> <Donevenask@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> says in
> >> >> >news:cpqk919grm7rpgsshetksmghvqlan08ogu@xxxxxxx:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>There are people and there are times. She is arguing Norwegian
> >> >> >>>and Swede after 1350, not Norse during the 11th century.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You seem to be equating Norse with Viking. They are not the same
> >> >> >> thing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Viking period ended at the end of the 10th century. The
> >> >> >greenlanders were christianized thereafter and would have been
Norse.
> >> >> >The swedish state with recognized borders did not begin until 1323,
> >> >> >however a partial definition was in place by the 12th century.
Prior
> >> >> >to that people would have been informally called Swedes if they
were
> >> >> >from eastern trading portion of the viking world, prior to 1323
there
> >> >> >was a contested claim over finland, so at that time the Swedish
state
> >> >> >would have been Swedo-finnic.
> >> >>
> >> >> All of which is correct.
> >> >
> >> >Not at all correct. Sweden's borders were recognised in a tract
between
> >> >Sweden, Denmark and Norway in early 11th century. Officially the
> >consensus
> >> >refer to the 12th century meeting in Kongahälla 1101, but there are
> >> >fragments left of the earlier meeting which was held in Olof
Skötkongungs
> >> >days. Sweden as a country is documented long before that. Unfortunatly
> >for
> >> >the Icelandic Sagas which tried/tries to make believe that it started
in
> >Old
> >> >Uppsala there are documents older than the mythical Bråvallaslaget
which
> >> >confirms that there was a type of union between the Goths living in
> >> >Wisigothia and Ostrogothia on one hand and the group living around
> >> >Aros(Västerås, Västmanland) in Migration Age whenever enemies were
> >> >attacking. The oldest mentioning of Sweden as a country goes back
before
> >> >migration age and stipulates that it starts on the eastern shore of
> >Wigotha
> >> >Elf.....
> >> >
> >> > They all come under the umbrella term
> >> >> 'norse'. See http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Norse
> >> >
> >> >Not in Medieval Age. That's a later fabricated word which assumes that
> >the
> >> >Roman Historians meant the same with the Latin words they used for
> >'Nordmen'
> >> >and people living in the Nordic countries.
> >>
> >> You will have to argue with the dictionary. It says " Of or relating
> >> to medieval Scandinavia or its peoples, languages, or cultures."
> >
> >English Dictionary I presume, not Scandinavian ones. There is a distinct
> >difference from Migration Age up between the different Scandinavian
groups
> >and countries.
>
> Inger, we are all writing in English. I'm using english words with
> english meanings.
>
> >> >
> >> >In Medieval Age up to 1390's there were a clear distinction between
the
> >> >three Nordic countries: Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Finland belonged
to
> >> >Sweden as it done most of the time since Hermaneric's days.(Roman and
> >East
> >> >European sources up to 1115 AD) What's also forgotten is that the real
> >Kvens
> >> >up to around same period were in majority north of a line from Gävle
to
> >> >Bergen.
> >>
> >> But what are Nordic countries if not Norse?
> >
> >Norse is your way of placing four eggs that used to be three eggs under
one
> >and the same hat. But we aren't in a hat. There are and have always been
> >very strong borders between our different groups. Skane has belonged to
> >Sweden since mid 1600's but many Skåningar as well as many here doesn't
look
> >upon them as Swedes.
>
> But in the english world we tend to look on them all as norse.

Well what I was trying to tell you in the English speaking world was that
you use this in a wrong way. It's like saying that NZ was Aussie.

Inger E
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> Eric Stevens
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