Re: Kensington runestone in the Scandinavian press
Eric Stevens wrote: t2cha15b6lf8hipooic957o6me8uvn6lvs@xxxxxxx,
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:04:51 +0200, "Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote: j94ga1d1m84g0cepavvd755m2ckepobfh7@xxxxxxx,
"Alaca" wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
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BTW. I think it is a strange aspect of the story
that they were traveling south, away from their ship.
That one is one of the easy ones to answer. At that time
there were more than one group of Scandinavians living in
mid of US closer to the place where Mississippi river is.
Ivar Bardson was as his collegue they left behind in
Iceland been given the task/mission to collect the tithes
from ALL dioceses under Gardar. There were three at that
time and one of them were in NA according to several
documents forgotten by scholars since 1780's when they last
were mentioned and analysed...
Who was that?
And have you any idea who the leader of the exepedition was,
the man who wrote on the KRS "I have 10 men at the inland sea
to look after our ship" ? Do you think that was Bardson?
And how did they manage to travel c. 85 km a day (at least
1200 km in 14 days) with a heavy load in such rough terrain?
That is a conclusion based on the assumption that the KRS was
carved where it was found. As Reiersgord has pointed out, it
is quite possible that it was carved somewhere else.
What conclusion is that? The distance?
That, and the 85km/day.
That has nothing to do with the origin of the stone.
It has everything to do with where it was carved as distinct
from where it was found.
But for the age it makes no difference
where the stone came from.
And I don't understand what the traveldistance
has to do with the stone.
Do you think they walked a day with it on their back?
If I understand you correctly, the 1200km in 14 days is based on
where the stone was found. However, if the stone was originally
carved 14 km fro where he left ten men that's only 1 km per day.
Reiersgord's theory is that it took several hundred years to carry
the stone from where it was carved to where it was found.
I am shure I don't understand you.
Is it realy necessary to give you the text on the stone?
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Eight Götalanders and 22 Northmen [are] on
[this] acquisition expedition/business from
Winland far/quite/rather/fairly/through to the
west.
We had traps/snares/territories by/at two
shelters/kinsmen one day's travel to the north
from this stone.
We were fishing one day. After we came home,
I found 10 men red with blood and death/dead.
Ave Maria Deliver from evils!
I have 10 men at the inland sea to look after
our ship/skips 14 days travel from this
wealth/property. Year of our Lord. 1362.
(Translation R. Nielsen 2001)
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One day south of the bloodbath and 14 days
from the ship.
It is assumed that the ship was left in Hudson Bay.
That is c.1200 Km (750 mile) to the north as the
crow flies, through rough wooded terrain.
But aren't you concluding that on the basis of where the stone was
found? How do you know the stone was carved where it was found?
What difference does that make for the dating of the runes?
I thought we were discussing the presumed need to travel 85km/day
which you raised some time ago. You did this on the basis that the KRS
was found some 1200km from the likely place for a ship and the message
said '14 days'. I'm pointing out that the deduction that 1200km
applied to the 14 days does not necessarily follow.
And who is crazy enough to travel with a piece of rock like that
through such rough and hostile country?
The local natives (Dakota) may have been if Reiersgord is to be
believed.
If the story is true, they found the rock in the close vicinity,
maybe even on the spot.
There is nothing in the story to say where the stone was originally
found.
You are right, but still: who is crazy enough to travel
with a piece of rock like that through such rough country?
If that kind of boulders is not in the area, the story is
very unlikely. In that case it was brought there by cart
and the year 1362 is wrong.
That kind of boulder is found in the area of Kingston - and many other
places for hundreds of kilometers around.
Eric Stevens
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... that they were traveling south, ... And have you any idea who the leader of the exepedition was, the man who wrote on the KRS "I have 10 men at the inland sea to look after our ship"? ... And how did they manage to travel c. 85 km a day with a heavy load in such rough terrain? ... And I don't understand what the traveldistance has to do with the stone. ...
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