Re: Reiersgord's _The Kensington Rune Stone--Its Place In History_

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 05:52:13 GMT, Philip Deitiker
<Donevenask@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> says in
>news:7pNre.7115$Ub4.2223@xxxxxxxx:
>
>> Daryl Krupa wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom McDonald wrote:
>>>
>>>>I just today got this book from ILL. I've just scanned it
>>>>quickly, but I'm already intrigued by a couple of things. Well,
>>>>concerned is more like it.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> For those who haven't read the book, here is the
>>>>Table of Contents:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>Part II -- The Dakota Contact
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> From Knife Lake to Kensington
>>>> Jonathan Carver and the Kensington Rune Stone
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Tom:
>>> Does he mention why he considers Knife Lake to be
>>> the original site of the KRS?
>>> Is it because there is an island in the lake?
>>>
>>> Knife Island:
>>>
>>> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=5100285&e=467690&s=500&si
>>> ze=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG250
>>>
>>> OR
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/c6hje
>>
>> Daryl,
>>
>> I just skimmed all the 'Knife Lake' references, and it
>> looks
>> like he thinks the Norse boys came in from Lake Superior, up the
>> Brule, took a short (about 1.5 miles) portage between the Brule
>> and the headwaters of the St. Croix, down the St. Croix to the
>> Snake river, up the Snake to the Knife, and thence to Knife
>> Lake. Which does, indeed, have an island.
>>
>> He seems to be saying that because the Mille Lacs area (he
>> includes Knife Lake in the important bit--not sure why yet) was
>> an important center for Dakotas in the early historic period,
>> that it had also been so several hundred years back, when the
>> monks and such other boat people came by. That for a reason I
>> haven't read yet, the pre-protohistoric people that became the
>> Dakota (and then split into various tribal groups often named
>> some variation on 'cut' or 'stone' or 'knife' because of the
>> importance to their culture of this greywacke rock the
>> above-mentioned monks and such left behind) revered the cut
>> stone and took it with them on their westward trek as the white
>> devils pushed the red devils (Anishnabe, etc.) into their former
>> territory. For some other reason, they decided to give the rock
>> a decent burial on this hill, apparently because it was already
>> named 'Runestone Hill,' and their sense of humor just couldn't
>> pass this chance up.
>
>Yep, nice JohannsonStevensian logic there.
>
>> The basic geography works, and I know the portage between
>> the
>> Brule and the headwaters of the St. Croix. (The portage isn't
>> bad, but it has some pretty steep bits.) He notes that there are
>> two rocky islands near the southern shore of Lake Mille Lacs
>> that might be so obvious that the monks and such didn't feel the
>> need to specify the body of water in which they were, well,
>> being.
>>
>> He is an afficianado of the 'Bubonic plague --> bloody red
>> dead
>> men, so there is no reason for the remainder to be fleeing.
>> Haven't read his rationale for this, but we did talk about this
>> before.
>
>Bubonic plaque was primarily spread by asia rats that did not reach
>the new world until later, it is also seen in some of the rodents in
>the american southwest.

It is believed that there was more than one form of plague involved in
the 'Black Death'. See
http://history.boisestate.edu/westciv/plague/06.shtml for example.
>
>> All in all, there is some refreshing takes on the old
>> story.
>> However, I'm still not sure about his sources, and there seems
>> to have been, in his view, one hell of a lot of effect on the
>> Indians in the Upper Midwest of the USA from this group. For
>> instance, he attributes the Midewiwin to Masonic origins, and
>> the names Isanti, Sante, Sisseton, and some other Dakota groups'
>> names to a word for 'knife,' which appears to have been the
>> Indians' idea of how a rock got cut, and got cuts on it.
>>
>> I hope to read the thing tomorrow.
>
>Entertaining fiction. I guess you want to state one step ahead of
>Inger's future sources. Should be fodder for lots of bandwidth here.
>
Another expert review from the idiot who does not need to read books
to reject their thesis in its entirety.



Eric Stevens

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