The Order of the Holy Grail former Re: Gotland crosses


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:44:32 +0100, Doug Weller
> <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:02:46 +1200, in sci.archaeology, Eric Stevens
> >wrote:
> >[SNIP]
> >>
> >>The description is somewhat hyped:
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> >The scientific community's own Da Vinci Code? This is supposed to be
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> No. Its supposed to be denied in advance. :-(

I guess it's time to give information many of us here in Sweden have known
at least 20 years, some much longer. First of all I guess it's fair to
introduce to you all Forshem's Church in Västergötland. What's not known
abroad is that the church built in 1130's, dendrokronologic dating, is one
of the few Churches known to belong to 'Den heliga Gravens Orden' (The Order
of the Holy Grail) founded in Jerusalem 1114. The church was the only of
it's kind in Sweden.

There are some urls giving information about Forshem's Church but most of
them are written in Swedish and aren't academic essays. No matter that the
facts around the church is wellknown but had been forgotten by most outside
the scholars of religion and scholars of Medieval Church's Arts, when a
Swedish journalist and author came to write a book about an invented Knights
Templar origin from Forshem. It's said that truth is more than fantasy and
in this case it turned out to be so.

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-68234/vaggan/forshem.htm

http://hem.passagen.se/slcarl/forshem/forshem.html

then there is a copy of an article written by Doctor of Teology Bror Jansson
in 1984.(Jansson Bror, "Kristi grav" i Forshems kyrka, KYRKA och FOLK (Nr
16-17) 1984.) in this url unfortunatly in Swedish as well as the others.

I understand that many of you are frustrated that I haven't translated the
texts into English, but for the moment I don't think it's important for you
to know more than that there were a close contact between the Royal Families
of Sweden and the Order of the Holy Grail. This is a fact which has to be
taken into consideration when you read and discuss the Templars cross in
Östergötland and Gotland, the Cistercienser Order and the Templars, The
Order of the Holy Grail - the Templars and the Grey Friars.
It's a very complex history and too long to be told here.

I can understand that some also is frustrated hearing that there is a direct
link between the Knights Templars - the Cistercienser Order - the Grey
Friars on one hand and the Greenlanders' third dioceses, the one in NA -
Västergötland - Östergötland - Gotland and the Baltic on the other. If it
hadn't been for a birchbark letter written by King Björn of Sweden to
Ludvig, and if Ansgar hadn't been sent to Sweden, then Linköping's See
probably wouldn't have held more than Östergötland under the See. But what
happened was that the Patron of Östergötland, Ansgar, came to have a See
which included northern Småland, Gotland and the Baltics. The later due to
Rus, the events that took place in the Baltics and around Staraja Ladoga in
861 to 865 AD.
When the last Rus according to the Russian Chronicles and Annals were thrown
out of Russia the name and the date are the same for a member of the so
called Folkunga Dynasty(to which Magnus Eriksson in 14th century belonged)
who was grandson to a Swedish King and son to the Bishop of Linköping.

To make the full picture even more complicated there were many
intermarriages between Norwegian Royal Families on one hand and the Eriksson
Dynasty, the Sverker Dynasty and the Folkunga Dynasty all Royal Families of
Sweden on the other. Not to mention the intermarriages with Danish,
Mechlenburger and Polish Dynasties as well. All these dynasties had members
who travelled down to Jerusalem in 11th and early 12th century. There was a
natural link between the Templars, the Order of the Holy Grail, the
Cistercienser Order, the Benedictiner Order and the Swedish Royal Family in
early 1100's, the Sverker's Dynasty. Even more important from the Norwegian
side is that what the Vikings had learnt how to travell in rivers with high
falls and other problems during the voyages from Norway and Sweden via the
Baltics down the Russian Rivers to the Black Sea and then on to Jerusalem.

To make a long story short here and now: The knowledge of the Cistercienser
Order's and the Grey Friars' on one hand and the Templars' on the other
connection to Sweden are known from the foundation of the Order of the Holy
Grail over the Templars up to modern age. They might have been forbidden and
hunted in other parts of Europe. They were not here.

One last thing needs to be explained. The Orkney connection to the
Scandinavian Royal Families and the above mentioned goes back to same
decade. If not long before, but that's not possible to prove.

Thus it's easy to say from what's known history that when Wolter and Nielsen
speak of the History of Gotland and the Templars, they could have said the
History of Gotaland(southern Sweden) and the Templars and still have been
standing on solide ground. That history is welldocumented and wellknown no
matter that linguists of course normally haven't had time to go thru all
religious documents up to 1400 AD and hardly all the diplomas in Svenskt
Diplomatarium either..... Guess that not all scholars of History are aware
of that but that's mostly because from early 1900's up to 1990's almost all
scholars of History chosed other periods then the Medieval Age to write
about in their Academic essays, thesis and dissertations.......

Inger E



To give you the needed information why the links from there goes over to
Östergötland, Gotland and the Baltic there are two important factors which
never been introduced here. First of all we have to go back to
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