Re: Vinland

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:16:48 -0500, "t(nospam)kavanagh"
<"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> wrote:

>Eric Stevens wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:01:44 +0000 (UTC), Martin Edwards
>> <big_mart_98@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> >IEJ wrote:
>> >> "Paul Burke" <paul@xxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>> >> news:3iv0icFn98ujU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >>>Eric Stevens wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>If you are referring to L'Anse Aux Meadows, I don't think anyone
>> >>>>seriously regards it as either Vinland or a colony.
>> >>>
>> >>>True, as I think Ingstad pointed out. But apart from that, and some
>> >>>fairly sparse finds from the high Arctic, it's ALL the archaeological
>> >>>evidence we have. The only other undisputed evidence is from the sagas,
>> >>>and Inger's Vinland phone directory.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> a) it's not in a phone directory but in works that Kalm told Benjamin
>> >> Franklin about it. Many others noted it in 15th-16th century as well....
>> >> also noted btw in a dissertation from early 1700's..... Vinland's eastern
>> >> coast is the area which in 1600's was called Nya Sverige and more. In other
>> >> words from north of Virginia, south and North Carolina, Maryland, Washington
>> >> DC and all of Delaware penisula.
>> >> that many scholars in 20th and 21th century seem to avoid the written
>> >> documentation presented from 11th century up, well that doesn't change the
>> >> truth no matter if they continue trying to supress it.
>> >>
>> >> Inger E
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Wherever it was, it was short lived. Caecilius Calvert did not find any
>> >Norse speakers in the area when he founded Maryland.
>>
>> Maybe not, but Raleigh (or his men) may have found evidence of Norse
>> speakers when they landed in Virginia. I posted the story on Mar 9,
>> 2003. The full article can be found at http://tinyurl.com/dnfj6 The
>> most relevant text is:
>>
>> "The colonists made no effort to hide the land's name <<Wingan de
>> coa>>, from anyone. All reports from the journey use this name,
>> spelled somewhat differently. DRake called it <<Wingan de coy>>.
>>
>> The great geographer - and perfectionist - Abraham Ortelius, wrote
>> to England and asked for confirmation of the correct name of the
>> region. In the reply letter, which still exists, the name is given
>> as <<Wingan de coa>>, in three words [7]. The two prominet
>> geographers, Ortelius [8] and Mercator [9] included it on their
>> world maps. But they both wrote that the name of all of North
>> America, Norumbega, could be explained by the fact that <<there
>> were some Norwegian colonies here earlier>>.
>>
>> Professor D.B. Quinn writes that the name <<Wingan de coa>> does
>> not seem to have its origin in any of the Algonquin Indaian
>> dialects [10]. It would also be somewhat of a linguistic miracle if
>> if the Norse and Indian names of the the land should differe by
>> only two or three phonemes. What has happened is that when the
>> scribes wrote <<Vinland det gode>>, it resulted in <<Wingan de
>> coe>> and <<Wingan de coa>>. It is a very decent result compared
>> to the efforts of other scribes of this period, in which fanciful
>> spelling was fashionable."
>
>
>In both your earlier posting, and this one, you have apparently cut the
>specific reference to Quinn.

That was because in the original article I was quoting Kare Prytz who
is the person who cut the reference to Quinn.

>If it was the same, e.g., "Quinn 1955", it
>is
>
>Author : Quinn, David B., ed.
>Title : The Roanoke voyages, 1584-1590; documents to illustrate the
>English voyages to North America under the patent granted to Walter
>Raleigh in 1584.
>Published : London, Hakluyt Society, 1955.
>
>It's over 1000 pages. Can you provide a more specific page citation?

Unfortunately the english translation of Prytz's 'Westward before
Columbus' has a most inadequate index and only identifies 'The Roanoke
Voyages' as the source and gives no page reference. It's some years
since I looked but I was not then able to find a copy of the book for
myself.



Eric Stevens

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