Re: Vinland

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 00:19:02 -0400, Horace LaBadie
<hwlabadiejr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>In article <daf7s0$5iq$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "t(nospam)kavanagh" <"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> wrote:
>
>> Eric Stevens wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:01:44 +0000 (UTC), Martin Edwards
>> > <big_mart_98@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > >IEJ wrote:
>> > >> "Paul Burke" <paul@xxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>> > >> news:3iv0icFn98ujU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >>
>> > >>>Eric Stevens wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>If you are referring to L'Anse Aux Meadows, I don't think anyone
>> > >>>>seriously regards it as either Vinland or a colony.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>True, as I think Ingstad pointed out. But apart from that, and some
>> > >>>fairly sparse finds from the high Arctic, it's ALL the archaeological
>> > >>>evidence we have. The only other undisputed evidence is from the sagas,
>> > >>>and Inger's Vinland phone directory.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> a) it's not in a phone directory but in works that Kalm told Benjamin
>> > >> Franklin about it. Many others noted it in 15th-16th century as well....
>> > >> also noted btw in a dissertation from early 1700's..... Vinland's
>> > >> eastern
>> > >> coast is the area which in 1600's was called Nya Sverige and more. In
>> > >> other
>> > >> words from north of Virginia, south and North Carolina, Maryland,
>> > >> Washington
>> > >> DC and all of Delaware penisula.
>> > >> that many scholars in 20th and 21th century seem to avoid the written
>> > >> documentation presented from 11th century up, well that doesn't change
>> > >> the
>> > >> truth no matter if they continue trying to supress it.
>> > >>
>> > >> Inger E
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >Wherever it was, it was short lived. Caecilius Calvert did not find any
>> > >Norse speakers in the area when he founded Maryland.
>> >
>> > Maybe not, but Raleigh (or his men) may have found evidence of Norse
>> > speakers when they landed in Virginia. I posted the story on Mar 9,
>> > 2003. The full article can be found at http://tinyurl.com/dnfj6 The
>> > most relevant text is:
>> >
>> > "The colonists made no effort to hide the land's name <<Wingan de
>> > coa>>, from anyone. All reports from the journey use this name,
>> > spelled somewhat differently. DRake called it <<Wingan de coy>>.
>> >
>> > The great geographer - and perfectionist - Abraham Ortelius, wrote
>> > to England and asked for confirmation of the correct name of the
>> > region. In the reply letter, which still exists, the name is given
>> > as <<Wingan de coa>>, in three words [7]. The two prominet
>> > geographers, Ortelius [8] and Mercator [9] included it on their
>> > world maps. But they both wrote that the name of all of North
>> > America, Norumbega, could be explained by the fact that <<there
>> > were some Norwegian colonies here earlier>>.
>> >
>> > Professor D.B. Quinn writes that the name <<Wingan de coa>> does
>> > not seem to have its origin in any of the Algonquin Indaian
>> > dialects [10]. It would also be somewhat of a linguistic miracle if
>> > if the Norse and Indian names of the the land should differe by
>> > only two or three phonemes. What has happened is that when the
>> > scribes wrote <<Vinland det gode>>, it resulted in <<Wingan de
>> > coe>> and <<Wingan de coa>>. It is a very decent result compared
>> > to the efforts of other scribes of this period, in which fanciful
>> > spelling was fashionable."
>>
>>
>> In both your earlier posting, and this one, you have apparently cut the
>> specific reference to Quinn. If it was the same, e.g., "Quinn 1955", it
>> is
>>
>> Author : Quinn, David B., ed.
>> Title : The Roanoke voyages, 1584-1590; documents to illustrate the
>> English voyages to North America under the patent granted to Walter
>> Raleigh in 1584.
>> Published : London, Hakluyt Society, 1955.
>>
>> It's over 1000 pages. Can you provide a more specific page citation?
>>
>> tk
>
>First of all, it was the English, not the Indians, who called the land
>Wingandacoa. Second, perhaps somebody should consult an Algonquian
>specialist.
>
><http://webroots.org/library/usahist/liov-va1.html>

The text of the article linked by the URL says:

"The next day several canoes came, and in one of them the king's
brother. His name was Granganameo, the King was called Wingina,
and the country (was called by the English) Wingandacoa."

That would be all very well if it was not for the fact that Kare Prytz
wrote that the documentary record states something slightly different.
>
In any case, there are 18,563 words in that lot. Are you able to
single out any which address any aditional point you are trying to
make?




Eric Stevens

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