Re: Challenge for naysayers of the Kensington Runestone

Eric Stevens wrote: 
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:31:39 -0500, Tom McDonald
<tmcdonald2672@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


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I've rather lost the thread, in all the cacophony. What discussion are we talking about? 


I think that from talking about the norse getting as far west as
Minnesota he was saying )as inflamed PD) that:

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My figures, based on the saga records with references to disko bay,
baffin island (helluland) and the labrador coast (markland), and of
course "L'Anse aux Meadows" and the like, are:

Early voyages, 800 CE to 1000 CE (well, a tad earlier really):
Bergen to Shetland - 200 miles
Shetland to Faeroe - 200 miles
Faeroe to Iceland - 300 miles
Norway to Britain - 300 miles
Norway to Brest - 800 miles
Faroes to north of Iceland and Bergen to north of Iceland to
circumnavigate it
- 500 and 1,300 miles respectively.
Bergen into the Barents Sea - 1,100 miles.

Named voyages, (1) Erik the Red, 985 CE Reykjavik to the eastern settlement in order
to settle
it = 1,000 miles
- example data - (surely nobody needs proof that Erik founds the
eastern settlement?)
(2) Bjarni Herjolfsson, 985 CE, Iceland to the eastern coast of NA,
north up the coast of Labrador and across to the eastern settlement =
2,400 miles - example data - http://tinyurl.com/8xpy8
(3) Leif Eriksson, 1000 CE, eastern settlement up the coast of
Greenland to Disko bay, across to Baffin Island, and south down the
Labrador coast and L'Anse aux Meadows = 2,200 miles
- example data - http://tinyurl.com/bcaer
(4) Thorfinn Karlsefni, 1005 CE, Iceland around Greenland all the way
to Disko Bay, and then down the east coast of NA to LAM = 3,500 miles.
- example data - http://tinyurl.com/b36z4

To forestall accusations that I'm hiding my sources and making claims
that I then fail to provide data for, check various of these
references and find these voyages described in various detail by what
will no doubt be good and bad websites, but my claims will, I think,
be fully substantiated by anyone who is even remotely unbiased about
this. Feel free to ask questions if you cannot understand what my
claims actually are.
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Not being able to "understand what my claims actually are" is one of
the benefits of Philip Deitiker's mode of responding to articles. I
suppose it is consistent with his mode of arguing.    :-(


	OK. Thanks.

I looked up 'Eureka' when this all started (did nospam give a link?), and so I knew something of what he meant. The Minnesota business seemed like a bit of information not necessary to the discussion, but it is what sparked my interest--until I found out what he meant. His argument on this issue seems pretty uncontentious.

Is Phil correct to say that nospam sees all or most of the Norse artifacts in the arctic as evidence of Norse trading, as opposed to other methods of distribution? If so, then I'd like some reference, as I don't know that that is supported in the literature; although I don't know that it isn't, either.

Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
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