Re: tupas on Easter Island



Eric Stevens wrote:
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> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:08:03 GMT, Seppo Renfors <Renfors@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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> >
> >
> >Eric Stevens wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:06:07 GMT, Seppo Renfors <Renfors@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Eric Stevens wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 28 Aug 2005 16:18:16 -0700, "Duncan" <dunkers@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Ahhh. So the Spanish introduced Polynesian words into Quechua
> >> >> >dictionaries. That explains how the Hawaiian word for knot (kipu'u)
> >> >> >became the Quechua word for knot (quipu). I was unaware that the
> >> >> >Spanish were in the Hawaiian islands.
> >> >> >
> >> >> I can't say that they were there but there is evidence they were in
> >> >> New Zealand early in the 16th century, long before that country was
> >> >> supposedly found by Europeans.
> >> >
> >> >Could have been the Dutch too.... Dutchman Willem Jansz and his ship
> >> >Duyfken explore the western coast of Cape York Peninsula in 1606, The
> >> >Spaniard Luis Vaez De Torres sailed through Torres Strait that same
> >> >year - north of Australia.
> >> >
> >> >But I'm curious about one thing - why do you not consider the Spanish
> >> >as "Europeans"?
> >>
> >> There are indications that a spanish ship tied up in the Kaipara
> >> riverin the early 1500s and was later burned to the waterline by local
> >> maori. My memory as to the details is fuzzy (I was very young at the
> >> time :-) but I do know the remains of the ship have been identified by
> >> Ground Penetrating Radar in a location where the river has not been
> >> flowing for two hundred years.
> >
> >
> >Haven't heard of that one - and frankly it sounds much like the yarn
> >about a Phoenician harbour in Qld....
>
> Well, yes, that one has always struck me as dubious. But why
> Phoenecian? It would make more sense if it was built by people from
> somewhere between India and China.

It turned out to be a natural rock formation, though it had the casual
appearance of once having been a man made structure.

> >or the mahogany shipwreck off Warnambool....
>
> I think the evidence is that the mahogany ship exists.

ALLEGED "evidence". Recently a female researcher (forger her name) has
declared it to be a myth. There are people still vainly searching for
it - but then so are people still searching for Lassiters Reef....

> In the case of the ship in the Kaipara river, the Maori legends told
> the details and the remains were found much later. A problem is that
> the remains are some 6-10 meters down under a swamp with a natural
> angle of repose of about 15 degrees. Excavation of a 35m long ship (or
> what ever) is not a trivial task under the circumstances.

True...... and it may well turn out to be nothing more than the
remains of a big rotted out hollow tree trunk....

> >http://www.aamh.asn.au/news/0077.pdf
> >"....buried somewhere under the dunes 14km west of Warnambool
> >(Vic)...."
> >
> >....and the same document also claims:
> >
> >"Some boffins at Manchester University and Sao Paulo reckon that a ten
> >thousand year old female skeleton they have examined is "Negroid" not
> >"Mongoloid" and therefore Africans had crossed to southeast Asia,
> >thence to Australia, thence to South America where they flourished
> >until the Europeans arrived."
> >
> >Not only that, they claim a rock painting of an "ocean going"
> >boat..... and they have a picture of it there too.
>
> I remember seeing an article in a magazine years ago of a cave
> painting in the Northern Territory (of Australia) which looked like a
> viking ship.

It is most likely the same one as seen on p5 of the above publication
where it is said to be a, "rock painting in NW Australia" and it has a
high bow and stern - but a "Viking ship"...... it's bloody small for
one of them!!


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