Logic and VM naysayers former VM Ink


"Seppo Renfors" <Renfors@xxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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> Tom McDonald wrote:
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> > Seppo Renfors wrote:
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> > > Animal hides isn't the usual source for animal gelatine as
> > > used in glues - bones and hooves are.
> >
> > Could be; I'm not a chemist. However, I suspect that you, as a
> > woodworker, are acquainted with hide glue. This is, in fact, made
> > from animal hides. I made some myself, from some of the scrapings
> > of the inside of a deer hide that I prepared and tanned myself.
>
> Well this sort of explain some of your personality- you go hunting
> animals you don't NEED for food. Then the attraction must be the
> KILLING of the innocent animal! I see......
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> > It was an interesting process, and I wound up with a small amount
> > of glue that I experimented with with fair to good results.
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> Listen, you can use SPIT for glue - it all depends on what you intend
> to use it for. You are aware that raw potato can be used for glue -
> and you may even have used it yourself. Another good long lasting glue
> (that was used in fair quantities) is made from CHEESE!
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> However - the claim is "forgery" remember. The so called "evidence" is
> being manufactured to suit that claim - it then requires a
> manufactured glue from the 1920's for the purpose of "proving" the VM
> is a "forgery". That requires it to be from the sources I mentioned -
> the sources used in those days. Which incidentally doesn't do Dave's
> conspiracy theory any good at all.

Well Seppo it's worse than that.
No matter that their conspiracy thoughts/forge thought not only requires a
manufactured glue,
which they have to prove didn't exist prior to 1920's,
nor that they still haven't been able to prove that anatase in sizes shown
on VM didn't exist in nature at all before 1920's,
they still wouldn't be able to prove VM to be a forgery,
and as you and most scholars/other interested in Theory of Science knows,
opportunity for anything doesn't prove that the thing happened nor that it
is likely to have happened....

But it's worse than that as well.
First of all there exist a document with fragments in Linköping, where
exactly same type of 'two'(brown and yellow) lines occured over the years
due to the cold and wet climat in which the archieve where the document been
from early 1500's up to our own days.

The fragments, which if VM is from 1430's, same as 1430's map, in other word
almost on spot exactly same age(give or take a single year)as VM, are what I
am talking about.

I given full references to this many times over and since I am working with
it and so have been for the last 6 months I will not give it away one more
time before I finished the article about very specific details in text which
happens to discredit every single doubts there is that the Greenlanders at
least made it via rapids and falls to the mid of NA.

In other word, we know for sure that such 'strange'?? lines do exist on
parchments from 1430's.
Since it only takes one single example to disprove any theory that something
couldn't exist naturally the line-question can't be risen at all by those
who tries to maintain that VM isn't genuine.

But that's not all. We do, as I have told the group many times before, know
where the 1430's map were kept during the years when there due to the
problematic situation when there were two Popes at same time, a Pope and a
contra-Pope, which caused a lot of problem during the Basel Convent which
from Scandinavia's part caused a very strong need for the 1430's map,
due to the fact that Denmark(at that time including Norway, Greenland and
all Norwegian Atlantic territory and islands) and Sweden took different
positions and worked in the question regarding the tithes each 'group' was
willing to give/accept to be given to the Pope(no matter which) on each own.
Those who likes to know more about this could easily find good works from
19th and 20th century about King Erik of Pommern, King Christian I, King
Hans, Karl Knutsson Bonde and the others you need to have good inside
information about for the 'fights' between Sweden who wanted to be free from
Denmark and Denmark.
There are also a lot of good works around discussing the Papal dispute. To
be noted is that while Denmark started in Queen Margaretha I's days not to
pay tithes to the Papal Church, Sweden and Norway continued to collect from
the respectively territory the countries had over seas and close by. The
fact that Sweden did had claims in the Western Atlantic Regions can be
concluded from several documents from 15th century on to Kalm's references
for the first English governor in NA's notes that the Swedes lived in New
Sweden(observe that we are talking of a very large area) before the first
Dutch and English arrived.

Within a few years from now it will be possible for many scholars working
with Pre-Columbus America to put together a good history for the First
People, the Inuits as well as the first settlers from the Old World, Norse
as well as Irish, Scots and Basques. It's on the way in many Academic
'corners' and the Old Paradigm definitely is rocking......

Inger E


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