Re: OT but essential: Who shall own the net. UN Tunis meeting
- From: Philip Deitiker <Donevenask@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:03:03 GMT
In sci.archaeology message
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> "Philip Deitiker" <Nopdeitik@xxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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>> In sci.archaeology, Doug Weller created a message ID
>> news:0hdpn1dupo7dl8s4dknupc22nmeaoh1oto@xxxxxxx:
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>> [Inger's Spamaceous distribution shortened]
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>> > But I think she's confusing it with politics
>> >
>> > But her response to my two quotes is bizarre. They represent
>> a quick
>> > Google just to help people get some context, not my personal
>> opinion -- I
>> > haven't formed one yet.
>>
>>
>> > And they don't mention Scandinavia and certainly don't say
>> anything about
>> > the US that should suggest I don't like my native country.
>>
>> I have the feeling that some jealous individuals would like to
>> bite the hand that feeds them, look the gift horse in the
>> mouth, that kind of thing.
>>
>> I don't think the US has acted out of accord with the world,
>> after all the UseNet, and my goodness, wasn't it great when
>> only computer geeks could get access, although cumbersome, and
>> now look, any dick, zipper, and ringer can stomp in and muck
>> around make all kind of nasty claims about the hand that fed
>> them, as if australia or sweden invented the internet and the
>> UseNet. Ah yes the childrem born these days have little
>> respect for what their parents have done.
>> The aspect they are complaining about is the assignment of
>> Ips and domain names.
>>
>> an IP is composed of 4 components each is capable of 256 units
>
> You are speaking about IPv4
>
>
>> although the first and last 10 or so are reserved
>
> No that is wrong. The first, 000 and last, 255 are
> reserved, for wire adress and broadcast.
What I have found is different, in dealing with ISP they tend to like
to use 001 as a router address, ussually have several others for
testing or emergencies. etc.
>> 240x240x240x240 = 3,317,760,000 and there are 6 billion people
>
> That is also wrong since a few are reserved for intranets
> and are not routable on the internet.
Its approximate. You can route to a router if you like xxx.xxx.xxx.1
in most cases, you are going ping a very dumbfounded router. 'Hey,
hello, yes I am here, I am a router, what do you want?'
aside from that 2 levels are assigned pretty much already to areas.
You would be hard pressed to get people who have fixed IP servers to
give up their IP so two tiers can migrate to africa.
>> in the world, so one can imagine why there could be some
>> concern that growing nations would not have enough IP to go
>> around.
>
> That will be no problem as soon as IPv6 is
> fully implemented.
Vaporware.
>>At home, at least, I share 1 IP with a dozen people
>> though a dialup service, which temporarily assigns and IP.
>> This type of service is adequate for most of the worlds
>> people. Even with broad band neighborhoods can be put on a
>> network using a 1,2, or 3 IP which can easily handle 100s of
>> people.
>
> The number of hosts depend on the class of your ip
> A Class A IP may serve millions of hosts.
Very few people have that level of performance, we used to play quake
at work after hours on the brand new 700 gb/s structure but we often
had pissy pings (and often had incredible mind boggling pings). On of
the problems it they restrict transfer rates, so for example you can
have a 100 mb/s card and there is no way any IP is going to give you
that kind of transfer rate, anywhere, unless you pay an extra penny
for it. Even 10 mb/second is hard to get, typical transfer rates are
0.1 to 2.0 mb/Second. So if you using your standard ethernet card on
a homemade server with 5 other networking cards installed and you
have five users, things are going to start to slow down, unless you
have paid for some extra bandwith with the ISP. I talked with the IT
people about how come the transfer rates are so low after hours, and
the claim was that single IP is restricted to 10 mb/s and . .. . . .
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