Re: Legend of Maurice Griffith and White Indian
- From: "Peter Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:07:18 +0100
Philip Deitiker wrote:
"Peter Alaca" . . . :Thomas Zahr wrote:Peter Alaca posted:
... But, (if my understanding of her combined posts is correct) at the same time with that story, Inger suggest that the mounds are Bronze- or Iron age.
I live quite close to Roman ruins,
So do I.
I'm a Cologner, does that prove I've (or my family) has been here since Roman times?
It is even worse then that. Inger is suggesting recent (18th c) descendants of a Caucasian Bronze Age culture in North America.
Right, that still speak gwaelic after 400 years, are the leaders of a definably native group, Bronze age culture with no Bronze age artifacts, and last but not least first recognized after 260 years of exploration heavy exploration by the french. Not only that but she laying claim that copper metalurgy was brough by these Welsh. How wonderfully eurocentric and arrogant.
" You are no expert. I don't claim to be one, but the written documentation for the White Indians in question goes back to the earliest European arrivers, "
So basically the spanish reached florida around 1500 and this 2nd hand account is from 1760s about so that is wrong.
She then rambled this out to Zhar.
"But first let me remind you all that we here in the Old World when discussing Stone Age are speaking of a period which started around 9000 BC(11000 BP) and if we don't go into the different periods within ends when the Bronze Age started approx. 2000 BC(4000 BP). BUT when we are speaking of people who worked with copper we are talking about a period starting during 'our' Stone Age: "The first indigenous peoples who actually mined and utilized the copper have been labeled "Old Copper Complex" or "Old Copper Culture" by archeologists. There is disagreement among the archeological community as to the time period to ascribe to the Old Copper Complex. Dates range from over 7000 years BP to 3000 years BP. The greatest disagreement seems to be over the beginning age of the Old Copper Complex. Carbon-14 testing of organic materials found with Old Copper Complex artifacts has established a date of at least 6000 years BP.Carbon testing of wood remains found in sockets of artifacts in our own collection has produced dates of 5700+ years BP. Copper was still being used up to proto-historic times, long after the decline of the Old Copper Complex. The copper artifacts from the Old Copper Complex differ from those of later manufacture." http://copperculture.homestead.com/
We are talking about the Archaic Period. "
Obviously the many papers I presented here on the evolution of new world copper and its migration northward from western mexico to eastern mexico and then into the north america did not catch her eye. She still contends that the presence of copper means the presences of europeans in the New World. I could have reminded her of these threads the most important indicator of her problem.
http://tinyurl.com/9f4eb
If you will read the thread it is clear that Inger did not understand and still does not understand that copper metallurgy in the New World began thousands of years ago, this is the reason she is making these false assertions.
No need to read the whole thread. Her first reply was enough.
Nothing changed.
As I have said, the most likely reason she cannot fathom the accomplishements of native americans is that she has an ethnoracial bias against them.
-- p.a.
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