Re: Kensington Runestone - Nielsen and Wolters.


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:42:27 +0100, "Peter Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>>Eric Stevens wrote: pko0r19m892q6pm9f9u8f6ad9u30uilv4k@xxxxxxx,
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:45:36 +0100, "Peter Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eric Stevens wrote: d0nuq11llevr23j91ram9ht01lvlpv5pg2@xxxxxxx,
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:24:33 +0100, "Peter Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Marcus wrote: w2Tqf.47769$4l5.28616@dukeread05,
>>>>>>> <m_zalar wrote in
>>>>>>>> Steve Marcus wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And the other logical quirk is this: the "secret" dots yield
>>>>>>>>> the date 1362.
>>>>>>>>> But that date is already carved on the stone. So what was the
>>>>>>>>> big secret conveyed by the dots??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The practice of double dating an inscription does appear to have
>>>>>>>> been a practice in medieval time, as shown in Nielsen/Wolter (see
>>>>>>>> my post on the Easter Table). If so then this would tend to
>>>>>>>> confirm the KRS as a medieval document, a forger having no need
>>>>>>>> to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sigh.... Is there nothing that these guys can't cook up? I'm
>>>>>>> certain that they can even find examples of triple dating, etc.
>>>>>>> So what? The point is that this newly discovered date is in a
>>>>>>> "code." Their theory is that is obtained by plugging the dotted
>>>>>>> runes in to an Easter table, something that not everyone would be
>>>>>>> familiar with or know how to use. Yet, the "coded" message is
>>>>>>> identical to the message plainly inscribed on the stone,
>>>>>>> presumably available to anyone who could read the runes. What in
>>>>>>> the world would the point of doing that be? By using the dotted
>>>>>>> runes, were the necessarily concealing the date from anyone not
>>>>>>> friendly to them? After all, knowledge of the Easter Table
>>>>>>> doesn't necessrily make anyone an ally of the inscribers.
>>>>>>> Again, it is amazing that someone could allege that the dots on
>>>>>>> the KRS were not observed previously. The stone had been
>>>>>>> repeatedly subjected to examination by Holand and experts in
>>>>>>> Europe. The allegations that runestones in North America bear
>>>>>>> "Easter Table" dates is not new, either. See:
>>>>>>> http://www2.privatei.com/~bartjean/chap9.htm
>>>>>>> I'll reserve judgement on the book until I read it. I expect to
>>>>>>> have a copy in 4-6 weeks. But the logic of the situation that is
>>>>>>> being reported by those who have read the book is beginning to
>>>>>>> have a bad smell. As does this sort of thing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wcco.com/specialreports/local_story_143121108.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like this contradiction:
>>>>>> He [=Wolters] now believes the words on the stone
>>>>>> may not be the record of the death of 10 men, but
>>>>>> instead a secret code concealing the true purpose
>>>>>> of the stone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We think, if it's the Templars, they confirmed the
>>>>>> date which is on the stone -- 1362 -- by using a
>>>>>> code in the inscription."
>>>>>
>>>>>> Using a secret code in a false inscription
>>>>>> to confirm a part of the false inscription.
>>>>>> What is missing is a pointer to the existence
>>>>>> of a secret code and of course to the true
>>>>>> nature of the inscription.
>>
>>>>> The pointers are there, on the stone.
>>
>>>> You mean the dots? But I am not (yet)
>>>> convinced of their existence, and I don't
>>>> believe in the golden numbers cryptology
>>>> and Templar stuff in relation to the KRS.
>>
>>> 'Belief'? What has belief got to do with it? Either it is there, or
>>> it is not. It's like saying you don't believe in the theorem of
>>> pythagorous.
>>
>>Well, the noun "belief" is composed of the letters
>>B, E, F, I and L in lowercase and the 'e' is used twice.
>>That is too much as coincidence, and since I have
>>seen it used that way in religious circles, I suspect
>> there is medieval Sedish bishop behind it.
>>
>>>> And what is that true story on the stone?
>>
>>>>>>> [snip more from Steve Marcus]
>>>
>>>>> Peter, I hope you are not going to continue arguing
>>>>> on the basis of news paper articles. There is much
>>>>> more to know about the KRS than that.
>>
>>>> Why is that? Is it not true what Wolters said there?
>>>> One thing is sure: I have no plans to order the book,
>>>> so for the moment I appreciate every other source
>>>> of information.
>>
>>> All I can say is that I am disappointed. Not by your decision to not
>>> buy the book but by the ranking you give other sources of information.
>>
>>There is no ranking in "every other source".
>>But I did you unjustice: I trust you more in
>>reporting the findings then a a newspapaper.
>
> I try to be impartial but I know very well that I am not.

Thanks for disqualifying yourself as an objective commentator on this issue.

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> Eric Stevens
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