Re: Origin of the Etruscan people?

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news:200601051742.k05Hgp0d001356@xxxxxxxxxx by Bruce Scott TOK
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> . . . :

>>nature and another comes. In a small chinese city you won't find
>>rat, cat, dog, etc. Everything that moves is on the dinner
>>plate, this is what happens with exploiative agriculture,
>>instead of risking life and limb hunting, one is
>
> [...]
>
> I disagree, mainly because we are talking about phenomena of
> different scale. Large animals and large scales versus small
> ones on the scale of a city.
>
> The _intent_ to get rid of the animals is largely irrelevant in
> this case, since the process involved does not involve that.
> Just that the animals and people are in equilibrium on a
> continental scale, and when the people move from one continent
> to another, (1) the animals there are too tame to survive the
> hunters, and (2) the overhunting that results is _also_ a result
> of the intensity of hunting which the people are used to.
>
> When you add intent to that mix, you get the success of the US
> Government wiping out the buffalo herds as per Grant's policy
> within just a few years. But intent is not the point, not in
> Africa nor in N America, nor in the island scenario. Just both
> parties (hunters, animals) acting according to different
> equilibria which have been set out of balance due to one of them
> having exchanged (circumscribed) domains.
>
> With smaller animals, don't forget the complete lack of success
> with rabbits in Australia. With smaller scales, the inhabitants
> of a city can exterminate its dogs and cats but humans certainly
> couldn't achieve that on large scales without technology and/or
> habitat destruction.

Not a fair comparison, since released rabbits create a dynamic which
nature has little immediate stasis, therefore the intent of humans is
not working synergistically with natural control phenomena.
Humans lived in the arctic for a long period of time, we can now
see from 35,000 years ago in asia, but the Mammoths did not disappear
until a certain class of hunters arrived, as soon as the same class
of hunters appear in the new world, the equivilents in the new world
also disappear. Genetically we can trace that class, they appeared to
have come from the area of the middle east and were not successful in
SE asia, or india during the early holocene.
Ergo I contend my argument is valid, because megafauna extinctions
typically follow certain cultures and certain genetic lines
associated with those cultures.

>>Coevolution in africa may explain why
>>african megafauna have lived longer, _but_ if one were to have a
>>massive migration wave of 18th century americans into all of
>>africa, there would be no lions, elephants or rhinococeri,
>>period. It is the demand from the west and far east that is
>>currently destroying these herds, and its cause is the peculiar
>>and affluential psychology of the urbanized peoples.
>
> This is actually exactly the point Diamond makes.

That side of the argument I agree with, that if not for the will of
the migrants, but in our displacement scenarios where a technological
richer culture migrates into the region of a technologically less
advanced culture, given time that culture will begin to march. This
is what I beleive happened in the new world. A given culture founded
the new world population, but it preferences were for the lagostrian
tropical lowlands and thus spread southward. The second arrivals had
dual capability and could move inland and followed large prey. The
same types of people mixed in Japan, for example for 35 to 45ky to
about 10 kya the west pacific rim/indochinese derived paleolithic
culture lived with megafauna, about 17,000 years ago a new people
arrived and followed in from the north and somewhat from the west, by
8 to 10ky ago new weapons appeared designed for blood letting large
megafauana, shortly there after the megafauna disappeared. The
appearance of these sophisticated new terrestrial weapons (as prior
to that specialization was directed toward coastal exploitation) were
followed by the rapid disappearance of these fauna.
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