Re: KRS book: Geology


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On 4 Jan 2006 22:04:53 -0800, "Daryl Krupa" <icycalmca@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Eric Stevens wrote:
>>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:44:58 +0100, "Peter Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>> You are asking that the decision as to the best match of the KRS to
>>> the local greywacke be done not by Ojakangas but by his readers.
>>
>> But Eric, he cannot convince his readers that he is correct if he
>>does not present the evidence supporting his argument.
>
> The point is that Ojakangas conveyed his opinion to Wolter in a
> private communication. We are not privy to what was conveyed verbally
> and it it is not surprising if his written summeary of the results did
> not conatin the deatil of a formal report.

That speaks pretty "well" for Ojakangas and Wolter. He knows Wolter is
writing a book, does a study, and communicates his results to Wolter
privately. The study ends up in Wolter's book with only some of the data
included. Fine science, all that. :(

>
>> Scientific arguments supporting such conclusions generally include
>>Discussion and Results sections.
>> If only the CConclusions section is presented, then the argument
>>is incomplete, and constitutes an Argument from Authority.
>> This is not the way to Progress in Science.
>> Viz., the Inquisition _vs._ Galileo, in which the conclusions of
>>Aristotle and Ptolemy were cited as incontrovertible authority:
>>
>>http://library.thinkquest.org/3461/galgal_m.htm
>>
>>http://www.bartleby.com/66/49/24349.html
>>
>>> By the same argument, if you were told to find in a crowded railway
>>> station the person whose description best matches 1.93m tall, 124kg
>>> weight and with short red hair you would list everybody, including the
>>> 1.1m dwarf with a red nose and long flowing black hair.
>>
>> To convince anybody that your opinion as to the identity of such
>>a person was accurate, you would have to convince your inquisitors
>>that you had sampled all the people in that crowded railway station.
>
> In this case, I expect that Ojakangas had done so would be a
> reasonable assumption.

Even though less than all of the data is presented. Yeah, you sure are
objective. :(

>
>> Without such an explication of your investigation procedure,
>>your opinion would not stand up in court, and the entire neighbourhood
>>around the railway station might have to be cordoned off so that a
>>much wider-ranging search could be conducted for possible candidates
>>who might have eluded your examination.
>> Simply showing pictures of a few similar persons will not convince
>>anybody that the real object of your search was investigated.

Hmmm..... Stevens has no comment here. I wonder why not, after all, he
claims to have testified in court many times, giving opinions re evidence.

>> You have suggewsted as gedanken-experiment akin to a line-up of
>>the usual suspects; that procedure will only identify the object of
>>your
>>search if he happens to be standing in the line-up,
>>i.e. if he happened to be included in your sample set.
>> For that procedure to stand up in court, you must show that
>>the prime suspect is the only person a reasonable person
>>would conclude would fit the bill.
>> The prime suspect's defense lawyer would likely try to argue that
>>there might have been some other persons who more-reasonably
>>fit the bill, who were not included in the line-up.
>> Here is an example of a line-up:
>>
>>http://www.impawards.com/1995/posters/usual_suspects_ver3.jpg
>>
>>http://www.lovedungeon.net/gallery/usual/lineup-big.jpg
>>
>>http://images.art.com/images/-/Kevin-Spacey---The-Usual-Suspects--C10103883.jpeg
>>
>> (See "SPOILER ALERT", at bottom.)
>>
>>> >He can conclude that the krs-grauwacke probably
>>> >originated in the Animikie basin, but
>>> >it must always be possible for others to form an independent opinion.
>><snip>
>>
>> Yes, that is a basic requirement in a scientific presentation of an
>>opinion.
>> And now, The Rest of the Story:
>>
>>*** SPOILER ALERT *****
>>*
>>*
>>*
>>*
>>*
>>*
>>*
>>*
>>*
>>*
>> Be advised that
>>the man on the right end
>>turned out to be the actual criminal mastermind.
>>
>>http://www.totaldvd.net/features/discs/200205UsualSuspects.php
>>
>>_
>>Daryl Krupa
>>
>>"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God
>>who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect
>>has intended us to forgo their use."
>>- Galileo Galilei
>>
>
>
>
> Eric Stevens

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