Re: Celtic Origins

"Inger E.Johansson" <inger e.johansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Doug Weller" <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:24:22 +0100, in sci.archaeology, Peter Alaca
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Brian McEvoy, B, M. Richards, P. Forster
>> >& DG. Bradley (2004)
>> >"The Longue Durée of Genetic Ancestry: Multiple
>> >Genetic Marker Systems and Celtic Origins on
>> >the Atlantic Facade of Europe"
>> >Am J Hum Genet. October 2004; 75(4): 693-702.
>> >
>> > " Celtic languages are now spoken only on the
>> > Atlantic facade of Europe, mainly in Britain and
>> > Ireland, but were spoken more widely in western
>> > and central Europe until the collapse of the
>> > Roman Empire in the first millennium a.d.
>> > It has been common to couple archaeological
>> > evidence for the expansion of Iron Age elites in
>> > central Europe with the dispersal of these
>> > languages and of Celtic ethnicity and to posit a
>> > central European "homeland" for the Celtic
>> > peoples. More recently, however, archaeologists
>> > have questioned this "migrationist" view of Celtic
>> > ethnogenesis. "
>> > [...].
>> > " What seems clear is that neither the mtDNA
>> > pattern nor that of the Y-chromosome markers
>> > supports a substantially central European Iron
>> > Age origin for most Celtic speakers-or former
>> > Celtic speakers-of the Atlantic facade. The
>> > affinities of the areas where Celtic languages are
>> > spoken, or were formerly spoken, are generally
>> > with other regions in the Atlantic zone, from
>> > northern Spain to northern Britain. Although
>> > some level of Iron Age immigration into Britain
>> > and Ireland could probably never be ruled out by
>> > the use of modern genetic data, these results
>> > point toward a distinctive Atlantic genetic
>> > heritage with roots in the processes at the end
>> > of the last Ice Age. "
>> >
>> >For the full, long, abstract with maps and full refs,
>> >see on PubMed http://tinyurl.com/8sxpe
>>
>> I know Barry Cunliffe suggests the possibility that Celtic originated in
>> what is described above as the Atlantic zone.
>>
>> Doug
>
> Doug,
> has anyone 'lately' disputed that. If so on what grounds?

The main grounds for disputing that idea is the linking of the Celtic
languages with artefacts. The style of the art on the artefact known to
have been made by people speaking Celtic language originated in central
Europe, so it was assumed that the language also originated there. Other
than that, I can't think of any other main reasons (although there is the
possibility that an ancient historian also made the claim, someone else
would have to verify that as my memory ain't what it used to be.

> And how wide is 'the Atlantic zone' thought to be?

Not that wide. Spain, western France, Ireland, Scotland, parts of Wales,
and Cornwall IIRC,

>
> Inger E



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John Byrne


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