Re: Celtic Origins

On 26 Jan 2006 10:26:00 -0800, in sci.archaeology, bernard wrote:

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>Uwe Müller wrote:
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>> > >> > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:23:03 -0000, "JMB" <johnmbyrne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>> > snip >
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>> > It's not just a continuation of burial practices. Small migrations, as I
>> > have alreay said, would certainly have happened, but no invasions, either
>> > mass or of elite rulers. The people making the products were locals, they
>> > pretty much kept everything as it was. An invasion of an elite ruling
>> class
>> > would have changed more than just the language surely. They would have
>> > brought their own artesans, burial practices (at least for themselves),
>> > dwelling types, modes of transport, etc. In this case, it's not a case of
>> > there being an absense of evidence of an invasion, it is a case of there
>> > being quite a bit of evidence that there was no invasion. That is a
>> > different situation altogether.
>>
>> But that is a pretty good description of what 'Celtic' means,
>> archaeological. A group of regional based cultures, that exchanged people,
>> goods and ideas over long distances. As they had been doing for a long time.
>> How would we detect an army of 50 celtish youths, that went over to help a
>> cousin three times removed with some difficulties? How many of these armies
>> would it need to make a difference, to connect Britain to the celtic sphere?
>>
>> Many of those youths would return to the Celticae, but some would stay and
>> intermarry (as the 3rd cousin had). The change would be slow, but the
>> knowledge of celtic lifestyle (economical, technical, language, religion,
>> ...) would be profitable.
>>
>> The outward spread of celtic metalworking technics can be followed fairly
>> easily, they are used to create local products, even though sometimes
>> inspired by celtic artefacts. Celtic scrollwork, celtic art and mythology
>> show a different picture of expansion.
>>
>> I would say that the north, northern Germany and the Baltic, was an area
>> with little influx of people, the east, along the Danube, saw a massive
>> movement of people. The west and the south seem to have been somewhere
>> inbetween. Not enough people moved to show clearly in the archaeological
>> record. But enough to make a marked difference.
>>
>> have fun
>>
>> Uwe Mueller
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>I always understood that the Celts were a linguistic group of people,
>rather than a "nation" in the modern sense.

True. And they spoke different languages and couldn't all understand each
other.
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>There is a tradition in Gaelic Ireland that our ancestors came via
>Spain and were known as Milesians. This sounds Latin, so I looked it up
>in a Latin dictionary and found the word "Milesius", who was an
>inhabitant of Miletus, they were known for their fondness of luxury and
>wantoness (Um?)
>
>There is also a tradition that there were at least two previous groups
>of people in Ireland before the Milesians arrived. The Fir Bolg ( Fat
>Men) and the Tuatha de Danaan ( The people of Danaan). I believe that
>Danaan was a god.
>
These are medieval myths of course. The Irish didn't come from Turkey.

Doug
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