Re: Celtic Origins
- From: Doug Weller <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:20:24 +0000
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:49:07 GMT, in sci.archaeology, "Inger E.Johansson"
<inger e.johansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"JMB" <johnmbyrne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in messageAND JMB still manage not to read the ref I, Inger sent yesterday....... why
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:07:44 -0600, kenney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
In article <qTiDf.154855$dP1.513225@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
name1.name2@xxxxxxxxx (Alan Crozier) wrote:
Inger is talking about evidence of Bronze
Age contacts between that part of what is now Sweden and
Ireland/Scotland.
The main problem there, is that it is irrelevant. That is unless
Inger is implying the Tuatha legend originated in proto-Sweden.
This is not the first time I have read of such a possible connection
between the origin of the the legends of the Tuatha Dé Danaan and
visits/invasions of people from scandinavian/baltic regions. Some
And yet you still don't seem to manage to provide a single reference.
suggest that the visitors/invaders brought the legend with them but
others have argued that the legends have been built around the
exploits of the visitors. I have never been sufficiently interested to
try and follow this up in detail.
Obviously when I write 'visitors' in this context I mean more than
someone who casually dropped in for a bit of trade while passing by.
Besides we have no definite information on when the Legends
originated. After Christianity and the Latin script were
introduced into Ireland a large number of oral stories were
written down. As well as the Tuatha these included Deidre of the
Sorrows, the Cattle Raid of Cooly, Fian, Cuchulain, the whole
matter of Ulster and others in various forms. For that matter
Irish legend unsurprisingly bears a much closer resemblance to
Welsh legend, than anything teutonic.
Oh and given Inger's past record, if she said the sun rose in
the east, I would ask for a reference.
Ken Young
Eric Stevens
am I surprised.
In message news:552Ef.43666$d5.199669@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx from 13.46(local time)
yesterday 1st Feb I refered you( and others) to:
http://www.boudicca.de/tuath-e.htm had you taken time you would have known:
"The root of Tuatha also means North. In the Irish Celtic mythos north is
considered to be the source of all power. The Tuatha De Danann came from the
North, here in the north they studied all the arts. The common people, the
whole race, studied all the magical and powerful arts in the northern
islands of the world."
Just out of curiousity, why should anyone believe anything on that
website? There are no specific references, a number of obvious errors,
it's a collection of posts from unnamed people and the person who
collected them also references Barry Fell who was the opposite of an
expert in Celtic anything. This is not a good reference.
I can point to some references:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Tuatha+de+Danann
http://www.bartleby.com/61/88/T0398850.html
http://xml.education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/Tuatha%20De%20Danaan;_ylt=A9htf9.2rrVD7MUAlQCrgMMF
which mention people and tribe but not north.
So why should we prefer your anonymous unreferenced claim?
Not to mention that you would have had a long list of works and books to--
read in as well. But of course reading and checking takes time.
Inger E
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