Re: Earliest farmers in central Europe



"Uwe Müller" wrote:

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In sci.archaeology message news:drvb2k$ptn$1@xxxxxxxxx by "Uwe
Müller" <uwemueller@xxxxxxxxxx> . . . :

In a small, rather popular programm on the telly last night,
they presented new research on the origins of the first
agriculturalists in Central Europe. DNA from early Bandkeramik
bones was taken and compared with the Near East and the local
population today.

Important parts of the argument seem to have been missing (or
were simply not presented?), but the main point was, that there
were comparable DNA finds in the Near East while nothing
(probably meaning very little) of that DNA is seen in todays
population. They concluded, that those first agrarians had died
out, while their cultural background had been adopted by locals.

It was a story with more holes in it than usually, probably
largely misunderstood by the journalists. Does anyone know more
about the scientific research done, testing having been done on
human bones and sheep/goat from the earliest neolithic?

thanks for the help

BTW, if one wanted a neat theory to explain the language and the
origin of the eastern celts, this settlement up the danube by the
western anatolians would be a very good cultural seed once the
neolithic and copper age farmers disperse and admixed with the
locals, this admixture would then result in the rise of a cohesive
regional population borrowing technologies from the west and east and
becoming a singular culture that appeared on the greeks doorstep. It
would also linke the Urnfeild culture and the Halstat culture
potentially with the genetics. It is afterall Austrian nodal genes we
see expand, not so much the anatolian genes, which means that the
balance of power after settlement shifted from the the farmers to the
warriors.

Archaeologically speaking, it is the Stichbandkeramik which supplants the
Linear Bands ceramics, and is then influenced by megaliths, beakers, battle
axes etc. Bronze Age proper, has long been recognized as being virtually
undistinguishable over wide areas, as far as many artefacts are concerned,
but with local or regional variations on armament/style of fighting, burial
customs, ceramics etc. The eastern border of this European Bronze Age
Community seems to be in the Caucasus mountains

Rubbish! Bronze Age copper mines have been found in the Ural mountains
- which in fact was the source of much of the arsenic bronze alloy
items found due south of there. The arsenic was intermixed with the
copper ore.

Also the "Stichbandkeramik" pottery has some features of comb-ware
pottery. See:

http://www.archaeologischer-verein-lkr-freising.de/ergebnisse/chronos/e_r_neolithikum.htm

(Second item down.)

Comb-ware pottery has been found along the Volga, about modern Kazan
-> Samara area. I note the burial customs are not the same, so if
there is a link to the comb-ware people is hard to say.

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