Re: Dorset 'longhouses'
- From: "IE J" <inger_e.johansson@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:41:52 GMT
"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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On Mon, 29 May 2006 00:34:59 +0200, Erik Hammerstadcontact
<egeha.is.all.you.need@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2006 11:54:48 +0200, "Uwe Müller"
<uwemueller@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If the structures appear in regions, with no norse contact, but with
Norseto the NA area in question, there is no reason to attribute them to
astray.explorers/hunters. So again the lack of knowledge about archaeological
methods has led someone, considering herself omniscient, widely
In the early stages there was a pronounced circularity to this
argument.
Read Uwe's argument again, and repeat as many times as needed -
maybe you in the end will see that there is no circularity in it.
Did I say there was?
I said there was circularity in the argument I described.
The early finds were regarded as being beyond the range of
the norse and therefore were concluded to have been built by the
Dorset people. Having established that one was built by the Dorset
then so too was the next one etc.
These Dorset longhouses are simply not of the type of houses built
by the early Greenland Norse, are they?
period 840-1400 yes they are in some cases. A bit smaller usually located on
what we here in Bohuslän call 'tomtningar' along the coast of those days.
I don't really know and I'm certainly not arguing for them being
Norse. Inger claims there are some things in common with Norse
practice but I don't exactly what these are.
Bases, type of stones and their dressing + mortar same as we find along
Bohuslän's coast. In some cases there are cairns alike as well. At least one
place, not mentioned here due to other scholars studies, there are walls
which might have had palissades on top.(no excavation report published) AND
which is more than interesting a fish pond alike(almost identical) to the
one we found south Vreta Kloster.....
Archaeology has steadily extended the range of (at least) Norse
influence further west to the point where some of these 'Dorset'
longhouses are now within the possible sphere of Norse influence.
Norse artifacts being found further west does not at all imply
Norse influence further west.
Doesn't exclude it would you say?
... does not 'necessarily' imply.
But Thomas Lee was obviously mistaken - why are you again
Archaeological examination of the sites has led to divided views as to
the builders but the weight of opinion is currently in favour of the
Dorset people. The late Thomas Lee was probably the strongest exponent
of the construction of the longhouses by the Norse. Even if Lee was
correct it is unlikely that these 'Norse' longhouses had any influence
on the construction of longhouses in the region of the Great Lakes.
repeating what has long since been put on the garbage heap? Can
you cite any living archaeologist having examined these longhouses
in detail who displays any doubt about them being build by the
I'm providing information. The late Thomas Lee WAS probably the
strongest exponent of the the theory that the longhouses were built by
the Norse. The fact that I say that doesn't mean that I support his
arguments.
Some of them most definitely were.
Inger E
Eric Stevens
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