Re: Iron artifacts validated with prejudices


"Russell Sheptak" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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In article <%kpog.6595$E02.2068@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"IE J" <inger_e.johansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Sorry Russel,
it does. The map is more than relevant.
Your comments in this case, observe this case, aren't up to your usual
standard. I have respect for your opinion among other things because you
in
your lines, here and elsewhere, take more than the 'ordinary' factors
into
consideration. Such as for example when, where and by whom.... Now as it
is
map-history and maps of late Medieval Age - Modern Age is a subject of
it's
own and as such more complicated than history and or archeology.

To understand and be able to fully take in what's on a map one has to
have
knowledge not only about when a map was edited nor who's behind it but
also
the relationship between the carthographer(s) and the mapmaker. We have
had
this discussion before here in group. I never understood that in other
subjects skilled scholars are so totally unaware of the difference
between
carthographer and mapmakers. A mapmaker hardly ever travelled with the
explorers after 1600 AD. Exception for this were those who travelled
with
regular army. Thus what's interesting is to compare the offical maps of
a
time with the army-maps. Not at all the same.

Now a mapmaker took from this and that other map or from this or that
carthographer, geographer or explorers notes in annals and diaries to
get a
broader 'picture' a full map. Thus one also have to have knowledge about
the
relationship within each category of those behind a map. It takes to
much to
go into detail here, but I do have it in my major text from which I
present
summary of this and that.

Inger E

Inger E

rus

Inger,


There are two tiny little problems with what you wrote above. The first
is that you said I got the details wrong about the Spanish (which is
what I responded to), not that I got the details wrong about the map, so
this is a marvelous bit of misdirection. Yes, I can make mistakes, but
I didn't make the mistake you're alleging above in my posting. I'm
quite familiar with the general process of how maps came into being at
this time.

Well in this case you did. Now I must say that I can't read Spanish but I do
have such scholars 'nearby' and of course I am not sure if you can or can't
read Spanish,
but if you look at the religious notifications of the intention to put
forward the Catholic Church 'borders',
the information given there aren't those which you seem to lean to. But map
or no map I am at present trying for permission to be allowed to send you
and some others a specific early map. I haven't been successful, vacation
season here in Scandinavia. I know that I am not will be allowed to put it
up on any homepage. That I asked to do some month ago and the answer to that
was no..... but I guess that there is a fair chance to be able to send it on
to one or two who can confirm some details I really would like to refer to
on that one.

Second, if the map is relevant then you most certainly do have to
demonstrate it. You cannot simply assert it and expect that I, or any
other scholar, is going to accept that. If you've got the data, I
encourage you to publish them by all means. When you are willing to
either publish your full argument, or share it with us here, we have the
basis for a conversation, but this set of postings, as its currently
constituted, is pointless.


Rus,
I will present the 'map' issues(plural).
Have to summery parts to send before that.

Inger E
rus


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