Re: Iron artifacts validated with prejudices

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:50:49 GMT, "Alan Crozier"
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"Doug Weller" <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:05:44 +1200, in sci.archaeology, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:17:17 +0200, "Peter Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxx>
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote: news:aje1a21dhebcts3en00oieer1e83gr9s3q@xxxxxxx
Russell Sheptak wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
"Peter Alaca" wrote:

Mercator 1633
"Virginiae item et Floridae Americae Provinciarum nova
descriptio."
http://tinyurl.com/qpu3t

Dudley 1646
"Carta particolare della costa di Florida e di Virginia."
http://tinyurl.com/rzely

There are two interesting things about that second map. The
first is
that, while no boundaries are shown, Florida appears to extend
well
north into what now would be North Carolina. This suggests that
the
old stories of the Norse having got as far south as Florida
might
not be at all unlikely.

I'm not sure why you find this interesting. The Spanish have
already
colonized Florida, which at this point includes parts of North
and
South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana. There are
Spanish Mission's in Georgia and the Carolinas in the 17th
century.
The English also know this coast quite well. Drake sacked St.
Augustine in the 1580s, and pirates from France, Britain, and the
Netherlands often waited in these waters for the Spanish Gold
fleet
from Mexico to happen by. In the 17th century the French and
English begin reducing the boundaries of Spanish Florida to more
like what the State of Florida is today, pushing them out of the
Carolinas and Georgia.

How does a 1646 Italian map tell us anything about the Norse
having
gotten as far south as Florida. You lost me with that statement.

It told me something about the usage of the name 'Florida'. The
standard reaction to the suggestions that the Norse may have got
as
far as Florida is something like "Ooh - that's a long way south",
but
its not such a long way south if previously it was held to start
in
North Carolina.

Having said that, I still don't know how old is the suggestion of
Norse in Florida is and I don't know where the suggester thought
Florida extended at the time. Nevertheless it does open up for
consideration further possibilities, not the least of which is
that
suggestions of Norse in Carolina might be geographically congruent
with suggestions of Norse in Florida.

That is nonsense Eric. Florida didn't exist in the norse time
and if someone suggests the Norse in Florida, then Florida
was where it is now.

...and not where it was in 1646?

If you don't understand what I am driving at, consider a statement
about the borders of Poland. Where they are depends on the period
under consideration.

Forget about borders.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/nda/nda29.htm

talks about the Norse in the Carolinas, Georgia and East Florida,
which
surely means my home state, not any Greater Florida.


That "sacred text" was written in 1906, when Florida had its present
boundaries.


My recollection is that someone (name escapes me for the moment) made
the identification in the early 19th century and I'm not at all sure
that it was original with them.



Eric Stevens

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