And now for something comcreepily different


One of the little interest (very little) is in the sort of muddled
history and prehistory of the eastern Black Sea. Ole PBS had
a show about some artsy-fartsy topic but they came to mention
Trajans column in rome and Dacia. So I was curious about dacians.

Wikipedia was down so I was hitting the other pages. This is the
official web site of the dacians?


I came across several very strange websites (what's new with that)

http://www.dacia.org/history/trdac_e.html

"
I had neither heard about king Syrmos nor about his later defeat.
They on the other hand didn't know about the Geto-Dacian origin of
the name Alexander. By the way, let us stop for a second and study
its origin: Alexan-Dros - "The one sacrificed to the stag" (as
Orpheus' stag was also called Dros "the Stag"; the terrible Getic
tradition, according to which a pure herald or messenger was to be
sent to Heaven, was made up in the memory of his sacrifice. (See A.
Bucurescu "Secret Dacia", page. 21).

Thus Alexander is a very old Pelasgian, Carpatho-Danubian name -
and the world should know about it. He was the messenger who every
four years was thrown up and then caught in spears and who by his
death would bring his people's message to the Supreme God.
"

Thus they are claiming that the Macedonian Aristocracy are
Thracians etc. There are numerous sites on Dacia with all kinds of
exotic claims.

Tracian = Trajan = Trojan is one of the claims.
Another is the confusion of IE and indo-aryan with ancient Thracia.

Heres some of it.

http://www.dacia.org/history/conq-ew.html
"
As the climate warmed up, the Carpatho - Danubian Pelasgians set
off to conquer the pre - ancient world:

1. An early, northern, Baltic - Mazurian branch later divided into
two, thus giving birth to two peoples: Germanic and Slav.
"

No evidence of a specific connection with peoples from this region,
more or less the evidence shows a people from the north and east of
the carpathian mountains.


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2. The second, southern branch of the Carpatho - Danubian people
would give birth to contribute two subdivisions:

a) the south - eastern branch, including the Sumerians, the Trojan
Ramantes people, the Hittites, and the Garamantes people (from
northern Africa);

b) the south - western branch, which later helped form the so -
called European Latin race: the Daco - Getes, the Thracians, the
Illyrians, the Latins (the Romans) - the Italians, the Iberian -
Spanish people, the Portuguese, and the French.

c)The eastern branch, which gave birth to the Vedic spirituality
will later conquer Asia: the south of China - the Tarim Basin area
(the Toch - Aryans), India (the Vedic Aryans), Japan (the Ainu
population), etc.
"

The Ainu? Certainly there is some evidence of a connection with the
Ainu. The Ainu by all accounts have more to do with middle
easterners and eastern black sea dwellers than western black sea
peoples. Even so it is only part of their origins.
Western elements in Japanese and Ainu are probably on the order of
10 to 20 ky in divergence.

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All these conclusions come rather as a logical re-make
"

By logical he means evidence less speculations.

"
, the existing evidence to this day being very little. The problem
is what other pieces of evidence can be added to the few references
we already know.
"

http://www.dacia.org/history/italia_e.html

"
The Conquest of the Italian Peninsula by the Carpatho - Danubians
"
According to Michael D. Le Monick's chromosomal theory of the
migration and rapid spreading of the peoples (Time Magazine, 13
February 1995), as the human race appeared (approximately in
200,000 BC, in the south-east of Africa), the primitive men arrived
in Europe around the year 40,000 BC, after crossing the strip of
land connecting the Balkan Peninsula to Asia Minor. This corridor
was to sink in the Mediterranean Sea around 4,000 BC, thus giving
birth to the new Aegean Sea and to a big number of islands. The
first men settled on an area bordering in the north upon present-
day Czech Republic, and reaching south as far as the Balkan
Mountains, thus marking the boundaries of the Carpatho - Danubian
space. The Apennine or Italian Peninsula was occupied (by us) much
later, in four waves:
1. the simple migration of the Carpatho-Danubians towards the
south-west;
2. the arrival, on the Apennine area, of the Aryan Carpatho-
Danubians (roughly 3,000 BC), under the name of the Etruscans;
"

The people of tuscany have unique HLA in the peninsula that
strongly linke them to the basque, some gene flow from NW europe
and the rest can be explained by mediterranean influences.

This concept of Carpatho-Dunubian space appears on numerous
occassion and is apparently a garbage dump of garbage hypotheses.

"
3. the re-conquest of the peninsula by the Carpatho-Danubian
Ramantes, led by the "Magnificent Aeneas";
"

Romans? move over Etruscans and Greeks we have a new conquest of
italy that led to the romans.

"
Europe started with us, so to speak. It started neither on the
Rhine (in Germany), nor on the Seine's basin (France), nor on the
Thames (England). It is we, Romanians, who gave birth to what bears
today the name of Europe!
"

I don't think we can call the pliestocene hunters from central asia
dacians simply because they cross the danube.

"
Consequently, the first conquest of the Apennine Peninsula was
nothing more than a simple peaceful migration. Much later, around
the year 3,000 BC, the Carpatho-Danubian Aryans, politically and
religiously organized, and thinking of themselves as "civilizers",
were to take over (again) the Apennine Peninsula from their
brothers.
"

We have a little problem there, because at least at the beginning
of the Neolithic period we have the movement of wheat agriculture
from two close and identified places into eastern anatolia and
finally the danube valley, this was probably on order of 5000 to
8500 years ago.

"
These "new" conquerors still make historians, archaeologists,
linguists and art historians have certain doubts as to the axioms
speaking of the Etruscans who are said to have made their
appearance on the Apennine Peninsula around 3,000 BC, and who
disappeared, once the Romans took over. Both the ancient and modern
worlds described the Etruscans, the Carpatho-Danubian Aryans as "a
strange people, possessing an advanced civilization, and having
nothing in common with the neighboring populations" (Raymond Block,
The Etruscans).
"

Well at least the basque, who are relatives to the etruscans had a
non-IE language.

"
Herodotus (in the middle of the 5th century BC) considered them the
descendants of the Lydians (a Thracian population). Vergil, Ovid
and Horace shared the same theory, while in Nicolas Frere's opinion
(the 18th century AD), the Etruscans were one and the same with the
Indo-European invaders who stepped on the peninsula around the year
2,000 BC.
"

Interesting theory, Herodutos knows what a prehistoric people were
doing 1500 years earlier because.
a. he was guessing.
b. he was told by someone else who was guessing.

A very long and sophistrated conversation about Capatho-Danubian



"
Resuming our legend, Amulius, Silvia's uncle, wouldn't believe her
and therefore imprisoned her, having the newly born twins killed.
However, a charitable person laid them in a basket and sent them
float down on the Tiber, wherefrom, as the legend has it, they were
"fished out" and fed by a she-wolf. Returning to our Geto-Dacian
legend, the two Zalmoxes twins were adopted by the noble Aisepos
the Pastor and his wife Brito-Lagis (the Divine She-Wolf). Roman
chroniclers of those times confessed that the she-wolf legend had
been taken from the Thracians. However, let us trace back the real
origin of the Romans.

Oltina - Altina - Latina - Latium
"

I thought it was Lavina -> Latium from the western entrance of the
Tiber river, but what the hey.


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