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by Doug Weller <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> . . . :

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:36:38 GMT, in sci.archaeology, Inger E wrote:

When was Orkney first 'colonized' or do someone at least know how
old the
oldest known remain of a house is?

There's a UNESCO World Heritage site there, Heart of Neolithic
Orkney. I
thought everyone here might have heard of the houses at Skara Brae

Why? Orkney was not the heart of neolithization in europe.

, and of
course Maeshowe, about 5000 years old. And of course the Ring of
Brodgar,
but that isn't as famous.

Cattle might have entered earlier, after 7100 years ago, but sheep
probably
lagged behind several thousand years.

The La Hoguette culture of france appears to be associated with
sheep
and goats, the LBK with cattle. The first appears not to have been in
the
Ilse until well after milk-cattle.

There was a study done of cold adapted cattle in Briton because of
the
suggestion that these more cold adapted animals were of local
domestication. They all had T1 (Aegean) marker there is a claim that
the Y
chromosome is of local Auroch contribution but:

1. Genetic contribution no more that 20%
2. This contribution may have been made in scandinavia and imported
into Brition during after the iron age. (Markers for these
non-aegean cattle are highest in scandinavia)
3. The more cold adapted cattle may or may not have been
of local origin.

Therefore cattle introgression into Orkney may have lagged.
But cattle were introduced into Ireland before 4000 years
ago from the north so this sets a relative limits on when
cattled might have arrived.

http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/skarabrae/skarab2.htm

"
If we can judge by the garbage found at Skara Brae, cattle, sheep,
barley,
and wheat seemed to make up the major part of their diets. They were
also
keen fishermen, and the remains large quantities of shellfish and fish
were
also found here. It seems likely that the number of inhabitants varied
between 50-100 people throughout the time Skara Brae was inhabited.
"

However the timing of when particular aspects is not clear and
therefore
~>4300 bp is all one can argue.

The word colonized is ambiguous. To colonize could mean to settle
such as in the Neolithic settlements or it could mean to occupy
in any number of broad range of scenarios. There are two sites in
britian
roughly the same age from the west and eastern coasts that suggest
occupation of coastal areas occurs shortly after ice retreats and so
one can imagine occupations in the time span of 8000 years ago if
not for brief periods.


It's noted that the Faero Island had lots of sheeps running wild
when the
first known ships passed by.

Known by whom? If I make a ship do I know about it when I pass by
something. Ireland was reinhabited 8500 years ago, there is the
evidence
for the first 'known' boats in the area. What are sea levels like 9000
years ago. One key factor that has been brought up is that there was
an ice mass in the region that could have resulted in elevational
shifts
not direction due to average sea level rises.

How old is the oldest known artifact found on any of the Faero
Island?

http://www.ria.ie/publications/journals/ProcBI/2001/PB101I1-
2/PDF/101B1210.pdf#search=%22Faeroe%20Neolithic%22

or
http://tinyurl.com/l2kjp

The article says that sheep were present at least from the eighth
century, but they were introduced, domesticated sheep. No evidence of
wild sheep meeting the first ships.

Alan

There is for the Shetland Island. Roman records which is assumed to speak of
the Shetlands, early fathers of the church speaking of those monks who told
them about voyages northward, viking notes as well. There are so many
sources to be read once we have passed the Icelandic Sagas to where they
belong - not facts nor fictions but a hint of what to look for even if there
isn't (m)-any truth in them when we look for details.

Inger >E




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