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And what is the relevance of that for the Faroe Islands? And
when
did
the first ships come to the Shetlands? Long before people
were
able
to
write about them.

If they were in Shetland it's more understandable the
documents up
to
790's
telling that the only 'inhabitants' on the Faero Island were
sheeps.
Isn't
it.

How did the sheep (not sheeps) get to the Faroes?

That's what I have been asking myself while reading and searching
for
the
answer. For all I know they could have come there very early. But
that's why
I ask for known earliest found artifact, remain or settlement.
Might
have
been windblown small boats with people we don't know anything
about
who
didn't survive but their lifestock in sheep might....

OK, then the article to which prd drew your attention should be a
good
start in your quest. The authors date the introduction of sheep (and
of
permanent human settlement) to the period 500-800 AD.

Alan

Well that article seems to be a misch-masch of information, which from
beginning origin in one of the Norwegian Professor of Archaeology's
works...... but of course no ref to that one....


Which Norwegian professor of archaeology? There have been several.


Anyhow there are interesting indications that the Norwegians, observe
that
we are talking about the Norwegians of the time the origin Kvens and
some
others not about other groups in Scandinavia, might have had good
possibilities to cross over to the Faero Islands at least from 300's.

(I will not translate all of the following text from one of my
pre-studies
before I wrote my D-essay. Only give everyone a short summary of the
content):
"På Jaeren har man t.ex. hittat en vacker glasbägare från
folkvandringstiden. Denna glasbägare som är tillverkad i Grekland är
bara
en av många lyxprodukter som hittats i Norden. Glasbägaren har
inskriften
"Drick och lev gott" Stämmer de rikliga utländska fynden i Norden, och
de
stora utgrävda går-darna med både djurhållning och odlingsvanor där
även
gödseln tycks ha använts i jordbruket med den allmänna Skandinaviska
bilden
under denna tid då har människorna haft det gott. I varje fall så
tycks
inskriften stämma väl in på de norska förhållandena under åren ~100
A.D.
till 500-talets ***. I Norge, speciellt under 300 till 500 talet,
blomstrade den kulturella utvecklingen i Agder, Rogaland och
Hordaland. Ända
in över fjället till Valdres märktes det kulturella uppsvinget.

Nybebyggelsen i Norge på 3-500 talet skedde både genom utökning av
befintliga gårdsområden och nyröjning. Ända upp i fjällvärlden byggdes
nya
och ofta stora gårdar. Många av de funna gårdarna har haft stora
bostadsytor
i ett eller två plan. Ett utgrävt 400-tals hus var hela 90 m långt med
en
takyta på ~500 m2. Av de utgrävda husen hade flera rum utgångar åt
olika
håll; det förekom terasshus; ett av de utgrävda husen tros ha varit
ett
2-våningshus med en total bostadsyta på 250m2. Gårdarnas hus låg i
Norge
ofta formade i halvcirklar. I myrarna runt gårdarna har ibland såväl
båt-
som skeppsrester hittats.

Under folkvandringstiden övergavs många hus i Skandinavien. I Norge är
detta
speciellt märkbart i Vest-Agder. Men även andra delar av Norge märks
detta.
I början av denna perioden fanns det t.ex. 60 gårdar bara i Norska
Hoylands
fjällbygd. Gårdarna hade separata fjös med bås för ända upp till 60
kor. Man
odlade korn och havre som skördades med järnskärvor. Kor, får och
hästar
betade även i fjällvärl-den på stora ytor. Ett antal av dessa gårdar
övergavs under folkvandringstiden och är ännu inte återodlade. Av de
60
fjällgårdarna som fanns i Höyland ~500 A.D. var endast 40 st odlade år
1970.

Norsk Historie, bind 1 red Prof Knut Mykland, Oslo 1976, page 335
NH, page 255
NH page 245-266
NH page 271-272"

End of excerpts from the study 'Missionstidens Sverige i Europeiskt
perspektive' one of all pre-studies I did before I was ready to
analyse Lars
Gahrn's Svearike.

Short information: From around 100 AD up to 600 AD the Norwegians seem
to
met an exceptional rise in living standard seen in artifacts all way
up to
northern Norway which comes from areas such as Greece and other
countries in
the more known established areas of the time. There was a sudden
change in
agricultural pattern. Rye as well as Barley became common and land
which in
the early days of the period for the first time was directly
cultivated
could have farms with large houses and special houses for cows and
other
lifestock. One farmhouse described was 90 meter long and had a roof
which
were close to 500 m2. Stables for 60 cows was common.

Now the interesting thing is that from 300 up to 600 AD many of these
farms
were obandoned and most of those furtile farms in the Norwegian field
world
never ever been cultivated again, not even during Viking Age!
One example from Höjland where 60 large furtile farms existed during
early
Migration Age in the Fjeld areas and were abondoned before 500 AD. Of
them
40 never seen settlers from 500 AD up to 1970's. Now you better learn
two
factors. These farms were very fertile and most of them seems to have
seen
their leaving settlers taking with them all that wasn't broken when
they
left..... and around farms abondoned close to water, fjords, rivers
and
Ocean a lot of remains from boats as well as larger ships been found.

Thus two important facts almost never discussed here are:
The Norwegians in Migration Age seems to have been able not only to
sail
along coasts but also over open sea.
Do we know for sure where they went when they left for example
northern
Norway?

The ships to sail open sea existed. And there are a few interesting
archaeologic details which might be used to stress that fact even
further.
But I leave that for now.


So you think they sailed to the Faeroes before 500 AD? How come they
haven't left any traces of settlement before 500?

Alan


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