Re: Questions


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 25 Oct 2006 16:25:52 -0700, "Tom McDonald" <kiltmac@xxxxxxxxx>
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Peter Alaca wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote:
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Inger E.(Norah) wrote:

IEJ: For the record - There are numerous works, type we call
'arbetskopior' in other word not printed to be edited in public but
to different meetings with specialists.
As it happened in 1993 I had direct contact with SGI(Statens
Geotekniska Insititute) in Linköping, not to mention that I in my
direct surrounding at that time had three of the best specialists
including one at that time working at the University, BUT I was told
to use a lower grade in my C-essay so it would be possible for
anyone reading it to go finding the referred work at a University or
major Library elsewhere. Had anyone of you gone thru the other
geologic works or for that matter the archaeologic works I have in
my ref.list you would have had same information and different
references for that information given in the ref.works!!!!!
[...]

You know, it really doesn't matter how many work products you may
have
sole access to, nor how many folks have helped you out with your
papers. Ultimately, if it isn't published and available to anyone who
wants to read it, it is effectively nonexistent.

Either give the exact reference(s) that support your contention, or
*** off.

Oh hell, just cut out the first part (which you can't perform
anyhow).

Note that she calls publications inferior ("lower grade")
to working papers.

Jesus! Is that what she meant? I couldn't machete my way through that
jungle of verbiage well enough to understand what she meant. I thought
she couldn't possibly mean that a person's notes were inferior to peer
reviewed publications.

Now certainly, it is vital to be able to see what the raw data are, and
how one develops one's thinking on a research topic over time. But to
claim that scientists' published work is generally less valuable than
their notes is...well, it's fucking odd.

Now it is true that some published work could benefit from access to
the raw data; and it is further true that sometimes the data are lost
or withheld. But if that is common in the Madam's experience, then I
shudder to think of the state of Swedish science.

Careful. Not being able to get access to the data is real as is even
the claim to have 'lost' the data. In another field, In another field,
no one has yet seen much of the data used by Mann when deriving his
infamous hockeystick curve and I believe he now claims that he can
neither find no reconstruct some of it.

Eric,
at present I am very very causus on who gets what.
That I am not presenting every proof Tom or Peter A calls for, doesn't say
that I don't have them.
First of all neither of them ever been my friend.
Second, I have limited amount of hours to look for things, ref as well as
full files and images, outside the field Terry, Dave and I am working with.
Since they are working with other lines on same 'field' I am working with I
support them with the work they ask me to do in order for them to get hold
of sources they don't have access to.
Two others I am supporting and filling in gapes for are working with
documents, and artifacts, related to the work I am doing myself at present.
Apart from all that: NO ONE has any right what so ever to ask me to present
quotes. As every serious scholar knows quotes taken out of context isn't
worth anything what so ever if the person who get the quote aren't very
familiar with the Prime or Primary source. Quotes taken out of context from
a work doesn't say anything because no matter if the scholar behind it is
known to be very trustworthy, he or she can make mistakes as well as be
misunderstood if a quote is to be used.

For the folish comment re. the Official tourist site of Östergötlands
kulturarv, I take that you aren't aware of who's behind that. That's
scholars working at Östergötlands Länstyrelse's Kultural Deparment who
together with scholars employed in respective town or area pre-view the
information. Since the level of Peter A's, Tom's and Jerry T's comments are
lower than any student I ever met in 7th-9th grade when discussing
Scandinavian History and Archaeology, I think that Popular-text written by
scholars is appropriate. They aren't worth more!
Others who looked up the other references for full also had a chance, if
they read them, to find almost all references I would have refered them to
had they asked me directly.

Inger E



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