Re: Christian Origins and Archaeology

prd wrote:
In sci.archaeology message news:1166032320.936941.247110@
80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com by "Carl" <pchristainsen@xxxxxxxxx> . . . :

Tom McDonald wrote:
...
OK, second's over. Still don't care, still not archaeology.
...

Huh? The archaeology is in Jodi Magness, a reputable scholar who has
shown
that Qumran was an Essene settlement.

Why specifically that reference and not these:
http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Stacey_Qumran_Light_of_Recent_Publicati
ons.htm (which actually gives some references)
http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Hasmonean_Jericho.htm
http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Synagogue.htm
http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/ben-yehuda_masada.htm

What evidence do you have that Jesus was associated with Jericho
or Qumram in any significant way and how do you answer the critique
of others suggesting that these areas were work shops for Hasmonean
community that were built because of their location proximal to
raw materials they used.

Jodi appears to be very convinced, others appear not to be convinced,
and there is even a question of whether the scrolls were deliberately
sheilded in caves or they were put there by others for other reasons.

You lack perspective.

Really? You asked me no questions to find out and I don't think you
have been
reading me very carefully.

If you review the conversation of the Thread, I narrowed my end of the
conversation
to Qumran archaeology and the Magness evidence that the settlement is
Essene.

I already told the Newsgroup Jesus was outside the scope here. The
reason is that we have
no archaeology for him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qumran
"
The scrolls were found in a series of caves just to the west of the
settlement. Some of the caves seem to have been permanent libraries with
built in shelves. The texts found in them represent the beliefs and
practices of different Jewish religious orientations. A number of them
appear to have been selected for the library there, when Qumran is thought
to have become the asylum for supporters of the traditional priestly family
of the Zadokites against the Hasmonean priest/kings. A letter found in the
1990s expresses the reasons for creating a community, some of which mirror
Sadducean arguments in the Talmud. But most of the scrolls seem to have
been dumped in the caves only during the turmoil of the First Jewish
Revolt, at a time when Jericho and Jerusalem were facing the sack, or had
already been sacked, but Qumran was still standing and secretly accessible
from Jerusalem via the Kidron Valley.
"

For the Hasmonean-against the Hasmonean, which is true, hmm, uncertainty.
Some argue that the scrolls were deposited by several groups, the jeruselem
connection is notable. This does not make it seem that the region was
manifested strictly for Essene activities, and the Essene connection
is to be considered tentative and potentially something to be diced
out with more archaeology as to who dominated Qumran and when.

I don't think so at all when the radiocarbon datings of those scrolls
involving
the Teacher of Righteousness are factored in to 1st century AD.

If you are unaware of the evidence, you or anyone else may check the
Thiering
Forum (URL already given) and use the Search Facility.

Suffice it to say, the high Essenes left Qumran 6 AD with Simon the
Essene, leaving
the low Essene zealots.

What don't you understand? Are you striking a pose to be deliberately
obtuse?

#1 you cross peoples religious or anti-religious sensibilities when
you come in with thing like GOOD NEWS, a very pro-christian metaphor.
#2 you have drop linked to sites that are anything but scientific.
#3 you have expressed great arrogance, pompassity about wanting to
reference what you have given. (Who do we know here who does that)
#4 your references are pretty much not worth a crap.
#5 you go nutso and start using ALLCAPS just like our
local kooks do when they go Nutso.
#6 you claimed to have archaeology relating to Jesus and the
history of Jesus, but it turned out to be nothing but proselyitizing
fluff.
#7 you refreneced source of the notoriously unreliable New Testiment
references of highly dubious gospils (Matthew, Luke, John) that
are Nth hand sources of information on Jesus birth. No althernative
scholarly interpretations were provided.

Do you need more?

I don't believe a word of it. You overreact.

May we talk about something else for a change?

Dave

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Relevant Pages

  • Re: Ancient latrine fuels debate at Qumran
    ... that Qumran ... was Essene, based mostly on textual analysis of DSS. ... I respect the arguments of Jodi Magness. ... "The Archaeology of Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, by Jodi Magness, ...
    (sci.archaeology)
  • Re: Ancient latrine fuels debate at Qumran
    ... Calendar for Interpreting Essene Chronology and Eschatology". ... Qumran 10,1980, 167-202) established the fact that the jubilees in the ... Page 168 of Thiering's 1992 book lays out the Essene scheme of World ... archaeology will tell you about Qumran. ...
    (sci.archaeology)
  • Re: Ancient latrine fuels debate at Qumran
    ... Calendar for Interpreting Essene Chronology and Eschatology". ... Qumran 10,1980, 167-202) established the fact that the jubilees in the ... Page 168 of Thiering's 1992 book lays out the Essene scheme of World ... archaeology will tell you about Qumran. ...
    (sci.archaeology)
  • Re: Recent and inexcuable off topic posting - may we please deal with archaeology?
    ... The fact of the matter is that you have NO IDEA of my grounding ... archaeology, or at least you have never used any archaeological knowledge ... Qumran was then defiled.) ... of the scrolls that makes her unique as a powerful authority. ...
    (sci.archaeology)
  • Re: Recent and inexcuable off topic posting - may we please deal with archaeology?
    ... The fact of the matter is that you have NO IDEA of my grounding ... archaeology, or at least you have never used any archaeological knowledge ... Qumran was then defiled.) ... of the scrolls that makes her unique as a powerful authority. ...
    (sci.archaeology)