Re: Christian Origins and Archaeology

Tom McDonald wrote:
...
If it is about the Qumran sundial you mentioned, and if you produce
archaeological (as opposed to other) evidence for it, then I know what
I'm in for.

If it's something else, then why should I care?

BTW, I notice that you use ellipses to mark your snips. I apologize for
suggesting you hadn't.

OK, not that many spot ellipses anyways.

For now on SCI.ARCHAEOLOGY I am doing Qumran archaeology but not yet
connecting it with Christian Origins.

A major technicality with the sundial is whether the hours are seasonal
or fixed.

Dr. Thiering and I say they are fixed.

Missing the points
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/5396

Extract -

You are quoting the view held in Israel, assumed by Albani and Glessmer
and by
Stephen Pfann, that the Qumran sect followed the popular practice of
seasonal
hours, simply dividing the daylight into 12 hours between the actual
sunrise and
sunset. The title of my article on the sundial, "The Qumran Sundial as
an
Odometer using fixed length of hours" would show you that the matter is
discussed in the article. It is there argued that the Qumran sectarians
were
scientists, following current scientific practice of hours of fixed
length.
Hipparchus, c. 140 BC, speaks of them as "equinoctial hours", the name
coming
from the fact that the night and day were equal at the equinoxes. The
astronomer
Ptolemy, c. AD 150, also distinguishes between ordinary and equinoctial
hours.
See Finegan, Handbook of Biblical Chronology, section 17. When Albani
and
Glessmer assume seasonal hours, and (erroneously) take the marks on the
sundial
to refer to them, they arrive at an incredibly complicated scheme that
would not
have worked and does not account for the number of marks. See M.Albani
and U.
Glessmer, 'Un instrument de mesures astronomiques à Qumran' Revue
Biblique 104,
1, 1997, pp. 88-115.

Agree or disagree?

Dave

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