Re: Auschwitz - the "death factory" with an orchestra, theatre, hospital, cinema, complaints office


"Matt Giwer" <jull43@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Steve Marcus wrote:
"Matt Giwer" <jull43@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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George wrote:
On Feb 8, 4:38 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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The heart of the 'Holocaust,'
Why don't you and Gwier just get a room and giggle over each other's
denial
tactics.
You know, I ignore most of these squabbles because they bring
out more
believers than when showing the OT is nothing but a collection of
myths. That is
only interesting in that an event which did not merit even a footnote
in the
major first person texts on the war, those by Churchill, Eisenhower,
DeGaulle.
It draws more fanatical believers than the passing observations of
atheists
showing quite clearly to the fanatics this is is more important than
the denial
of the divinity of Jesus Christ. I find that strange but obviously
holocaustianism is treated as a religion with sacred truths of its
own.
Typical nazi denial dressed up to resemble a real post.
Go to http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm where they have
the Trial transcripts..
And not one word on gas chambers. Thank you for making the case.

Indeed, thank YOU for making the case. From the very same site, the
findings regarding War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, as read (in
part) by Judge John J. Parker, one of the judges at Nuremberg:

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/judwarcr.htm#civilian

"The evidence relating to war crimes has been overwhelming, in its volume
and its detail. It is impossible for this Judgment adequately to review
it, or to record the mass of documentary and oral evidence that has been
presented. The truth remains that war crimes were committed on a vast
scale, never before seen in the history of war. ...

MURDER AND ILL-TREATMENT OF CIVILIAN POPULATION
....

A certain number of the concentration camps were equipped with gas
chambers for the wholesale destruction of the inmates, and with furnaces
for the burning of the bodies. Some of them were in fact used for the
extermination of Jews as part of the " final solution " of the Jewish
problem. Most of the non-Jewish inmates were used for labour, although
the conditions under which they worked made labour and death almost
synonymous terms."

I suppose you believe that if you lie often enough, you can get away with
it. This is but one (minor) example of the lying engaged in by Holocaust
deniers such as yourself, Giwer.

I suppose that people will in fact some day read what I wrote and usually
what I respond to.

The claim was there were confessions to gas chambers in Nuremberg. I said
there was none in the transcription. You have not produced anything from
the transcript. Nor have you produced a statement by an SS member to the
effect that there were gas chambers. You have produced something that is
not footnoted and cannot be determined to be other than the invention of
the writer.

Lying ***, what was quoted was a finding by a Judge of the Court. Do
you suppose that it was based on nothing at all? It was based on testimony,
from liberating military, from liberated camp survivors, and from German
prisoners, as well as on documentary evidence.

Of course I have quit hoping believers will ever be bright enough to
respond to the subject at hand.

You have a set, ***, to accuse someone else of not being "bright
enough." You are betting into a royal flush holding a six-high hand, and
the only people who think that your hand is a winner are clods like you who
haven't two neurons in what passes for your brains. You live, instead, on
bigotry and hatred. It's all you are capable of.

Apart from the excuvation of the bone ash deposits this has nothing to
do with archaeology
Apart from the absence of the thousands of cubic yards of "bone ash"
required not existing it has everything to do with the same kind of sham
archaeology that constantly finds Noah's Ark and David's Palace and
Solomon's Stables and all the rest of the crap believers claim exist but
is unknown to science.
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to
the Latter Day Saints?
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Easily. The Latter Day Saints are about a millenium late in settling
Utah as compared to Native Americans. On the other hand, the Jewish
People lived in and around the present location of Israel more than a
millenium prior to the birth of Christ. Nor have the Latter Day Saints
been the victims of genocide.

There is no evidence there were any Jews or Judeans prior to the 2nd c.
BC. The people and the religion appear out of no where without the least
archaeological or historical evidence of existence prior to that century.
They appear to be an invented religion like the LDS.

http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/merneptah-stele-faq.htm gives evidence
from the 13th century BC for the existence of Israel as a people.

http://www.momentmag.com/olam/Apr06/MOM-2006-04_mazar.html is one of many
links that can be found that describe, at a minimum, artifacts illustrating
the existence of an Israelite earlier than 2nd BC (that is, one doesn't have
to believe in either the historicity of King David or the reiligious
authenticity of the Bible to understand the significance of the bulla dating
to the late 7th century BC.


That aside, having lived in a place many centuries ago is not a claim to
the place today. That they all left voluntarily or converted to Islam or
Christianity does not support any such claim. If there are those dumb
enough to believe the legend that they were expelled by Rome, then they
have a gripe with Italy not the Palestinians.

Let's see. You argue that having lived many centuries ago in a place and
leaving voluntarily does not support a claim to that place. So the
Palestinian claim to today's Israel is based on ...? Having lived on the
land (in most cases not a claim to having owned the land per se) and having
left it in 1948-1949 VOLUNTARILY as a result of them being told to do so by
their Arab Bretheren who warned that they would be killed in the war to push
the Jews into the sea. In fact, today's Palestinians weren't Palestinians
in 1948, were they, Matty?


But what are facts to morons like you, Giwer? You needn't bother to
respond to this post, Giwer, you Nazi son of a bitch, because my present
post says all that needs saying with respect to you and your ilk. You've
been caught in a lie, your credibility (rather any tattered thread
thereof which you imagined that you had) is gone, and I won't waste
further time with you.

You are clearly ignorant of history and archaeology. You have some idiot
delusion that members of a religion have a claim to land because members
of that religion happened to be there a couple thousand years ago.

They certainly have a right to purchase the land. And they certainly have a
legal right pursuant to international law, since the country was established
per UN vote.


Genetic studies have been done. They are conclusive. The Palestinians and
the Sephardic Jews are the same people. The Ashkenazi from eastern Europe
are not related to them. Even their ancestors never lived there even if
that were a recognized basis for a claim to the personal property of other
people.

Genetics notwithstanding, the Palestinian people and the Israelies are not
the same people. The former have been taught from birth, and their
ancestors were taught from birth, that their religion dictates that Jews are
for killing. The latter have been taught, from birth, that their heritage
and their religion is "Thou Shalt Not Kill."


Steve
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