Re: Barbara Thiering Refuted!

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 01:46:52 GMT, dk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (DK)
wrote:

In article <h0jru2tvplqc88khj6ggi36gg993uumt9h@xxxxxxx>, eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
In the case of Barbara Thiering, the fact that one particular person
cannot be trained to use her pesher method of reading to obtain the
same result as she does, does not mean that her method is invalid. If
that person _will_not_ be so trained then that person cannot be
trained.

The lamest, the most Marxist, and the most unscientific defense of
them all. That's like claiming that Khmer Rouge did not succeed
only because they did not believe the true communism well enough.

The difference, of course, is that once a reasonable person proves
to be reasonably trainable (in a wide-ranging world of cultural
archaeology or whatever you opt to call ir, of, arbitrarily, getting
a Ph.D. or publishing some papers in respected journals), then
the inability to believe Barbara Thiering's message indicates just
one and the only thing:
Barbara Thiering's message is not convincing.
(Surprise! The whole thing, from A to Z, read like a shamanism
worse then Freudian psychoanalysis. Both, naturally, are as
anti-Popperian as anything can be.)


You are talking nonsense. We are not talking about the reasonable
person but the person who is determined to learn the pesher style of
reading.

I'm not saying that Thiering's pesher theory is correct. I'm pointing
out the flaw in the logic that it is wrong because she can't "explain
her "pesher method" so that a qualified scholar can apply it the the
transfiguration passage in Mark Chapter 9 and independently come up
with the "hidden pesher meaning" of Jesus stripping the Jewish High
Priest naked and carrying out the atonement ritual in his place".

If the qualified scholar doesn't want to read pesher then no amount of
training will induce him to read pesher.

Even if the scholar wants to read pesher there is no guarantee that
they will come up with exactly the same conclusion as another scholar.
One only has to follow up the attempts to reach agreement over the
meaning of ancient runic documents to see how difficult it is to reach
agreement.



Eric Stevens
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