Re: North America's Bronze Age?

On Apr 26, 3:34 am, "Jean" <jean.len...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Apr 25, 10:02 pm, "Jean" <jean.len...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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First I would like to point to this interesting article:
Levine Mary Ann, Determining the Provenance of native copper artifacts
from
Northeastern North America: evidence from instrumental neutron activation
analysis
Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 34, Issue 4, April 2007, page
572-587

and ask if it's not about time to recognise that also the so called New
World had a Bronze Age which in some cases seems to have started if not
earlier so at least as early as in the so called Old World? Reason for my
question is that Levine found chemical characterization of copper from 13
geological deposit dating from Late Archaic ~5000 BP to Early
Woodland's -
2000 BP. If the copper is 'gained' from more than a few geological
deposits,
this seem to indicate either that people with knowledge of what to look
for
and how to 'process'/use the Copper at least might have made same
'finding'
as done in parts of the Old World where Bronze first were found/made from
Copper melting in charcoal fires. Provided of course that at least some
tinoxide existed in Copper raw material as it did here in the Old World.

Inger E

This may be of interest!
PRECOLUMBIAN BRONZE TUMI FROM PERU

http://www.artigua.com/stores/xanthos/items/288387/en1artigua.html
Here are some other sites! How valid the information on these sites
is I do not know

http://www.bdomineau.com/gpage11.htmlhttp://ancientamerican.com/

????http://www.davistownmuseum.org/bibPreColumb.htm



JL

Is this "natural bronze", ie copper with some trace element like
arsenic or tin in it from the ore?

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1475-4754.2006.002...
urnalCode=arch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_Mesoamerica

I have never heard of the occurrence of a native copper-tin alloy even at
Rio Tinto Spain where the ores
of both copper and tin can be found. If a copper and tin ore are smelted
together the results could be bronze.
This is possibly how bronze came about in the first place. Tin is not
found in a native state (as a metal).
It (tin oxide) is smelted by simply heating in a wood fire. Cassiterite
(tin oxide) is the main ore of tin.
It can be found in abundance in Bolivia. Copper ores are common in the new
world.
It seems that at one time metallurgy was advanced to the point of
smelting and extraction
of metal from ores in south and central America. These skill seem to have
either been lost or in
decline by the time of the Spanish conquest.http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2003AM/finalprogram/abstract_61530.htmhttp://www.lehigh.edu/~inarcmet/Peru/Peruvian.htm

JL

In early use, the natural impurity arsenic sometimes created a
superior natural alloy; this is termed arsenical bronze (of which Ötzi
the Iceman's axe is an example).

While copper and tin can naturally co-occur, the two ores are rarely
found together (although one ancient site in Thailand and one in Iran
provide counterexamples).

From Wiki "Bronze"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze

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