Re: the "Roman" figurine former SV: Precolumbian artifacts in Mexico....

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On Sat, 05 May 2007 13:35:55 GMT, in sci.archaeology, johansson
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On May 4, 11:19 am, Erik Hammerstad
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Carl wrote:
On May 4, 1:00 am, Erik Hammerstad
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http://faculty.virginia.edu/phantom/norsepenny.pdf
Well-grounded conjecture ---
Leif the Lucky got to L'Anse aux Meadows.
That's a conjecture too, only the Norse camp at L'Anse aux
Meadows
can be regarded as a fact. That it was Leif's fits with the
secondhand stories from Island however, so this conjecture is
also
well grounded, and even so irrelevant that it is not worth
arguing
over ;-)
Not irrelevant to me, however. It goes without saying that it is
not
worth
arguing over. God forbid that there be argument on sci.arch ;-)

Was there any lasting impact that there even were Vikings in
North
America
about 1000 years ago? The answer is a FIRM NO. So, God forbid
that
someone be ethnocentric in the pursuit of archaeology ;-)

Were there pre-Columbian visitors to America that got to America
by boat across both the Atlantic and the Pacific?

You probably already know the answer because it is already inside
Wikipedia.

Is there more archaeology yet to be done to adduce evidence of
it?
Yes, but
in the meantime a literature search may be done in Wikipedia,
Google
Scholar,
JSTOR and other specialized databases.
´Thanks Carl,
once again Erik H showed his ignorance of knowledge which most
interested
in
the subject already knows about. But I doubt that it will be
helped by
telling him where to search for articles. I even doubt that he
will be
reading all in sites and articles one recommend. He usually don't.
Anyhow for all other interested these sites might be of interest:




http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=F28039C34EC
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7CE309E7DCAC8AD08006.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=43757





http://mexico.udg.mx/historia/precolombinas/ingles/Azteca/quetzalcoatl.html
Typical Ingerish reference. This page shows total ignorance of the
facts,
but Inger cites it as evidence.

Sorry Doug,
first of all the facts ARE correct - AND typical Dougish not to look
who the
url belongs to. Do you believe you know better than the Universidad
de
Guadalajara?????? Do you believe you know facts better than Official
Culture
representatives of Mexico? Shame on you Doug!
Typical non-scholaristic behavior from you once again.
http://mexico.udg.mx/historia/precolombinas/index.html

Good God Doug when will you learn. You tries to pick on me instead
of doing
a proper analyse of texts!

So typical ad hominem when caught with her pants down ;-) But
let's try the views of an Aztec scholar on the "Roman" figurine:
http://www.public.asu.edu/~mesmith9/tval/RomanFigurine.html

That's at an official university website, so no one can argue with it...

Alan

It's typical Erik H not to tell the full story only chosing the few who have
same opinions as Erik H.
I guess Alan that you haven't this information:
In 1994 the "Roman" head of Calixtlahuaja, Mexico made news especially after
Hristov Romeo H.'s article: 'the little "Roman" head of Calixtlahuaja,
Mexico: some reflections'
(easiest read here: <http://www.neara.org/CARLSON/romehead.htm>

At that time the "Roman" head was thought to be the only artifact found
during for most archaeologists acceptable excavations etc. To the ones found
during later years I return under own subjectline.

Then again in this case as in other there are naysayers beliving in the
brickwall that make any contacts over the Atlantic before Columbus voyages
impossible give or take a few contacts by Vikings with Indians in northern
America. Such a scholar can be read at
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~mesmith9/tval/RomanFigurine.html> How someone
who isn't specialist studying the subject can maintain a brickwall against
new information, that's incredible.

Thus I would like to give you more ref for Romeo H Hristov:
<http://www.unm.edu/~rhristov/RHH.html>
<http://www.unm.edu/~rhristov/>

More support for Hristov's precolumbian contacts can be read about at:
<http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/romanbust.htm>

Lovely reference. Andrew Collins, occultist, UFO buff, all around kooki.

<http://migration.steinwender.co.uk/archaeology11.htm>

This link posted before. Only one person has confirmed this as a Roman
head, and the statement about can't be post-contact, well, it certainly
did require 'revision'.!

Of course there are 'artifacts' which doesn't hold what they seem to be
telling from first analyses. One such is the so called The 'Phoenician' head
from Las Balsas. As well as some Precolumbian coins found in Mexico.
<http://antiquity.ac.uk/projgall/hristov/index.html>

And that reveals more about Hristov than I knew before. He seems to take
Alexander von Wuthenau seriously. I'd thought better of him, now I know
not to take him seriously at all. Thanks Inger.


And last but not least I see I have to remind Erik H as well as you Alan (?)
that a person who written an article and recieves personal Ad Hominem as I
did have the full rights to return the comments to the person who started
the attacks. That Doug did. So at least Erik H needs to learn more before
continuing his usual personal attacks on me. He also needs to grow up and
get himself a better reputation by presenting valid contra-arguments not
only using specially chosen ones.

Actually Inger started the attacks some time ago. I used to be very
patient and helpful with her until she decided to attack me. And more and
more she has revealed herself as a weak reed to lean upon. Her references
get worse and worse (when she is willing to provide them).

Doug
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