Re: the "Roman" figurine former SV: Precolumbian artifacts in Mexico....

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On Sun, 06 May 2007 21:35:29 GMT, "Alan Crozier"
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It's typical Erik H not to tell the full story only chosing the
few
who have
same opinions as Erik H.
I guess Alan that you haven't this information:
In 1994 the "Roman" head of Calixtlahuaja, Mexico made news
especially
after
Hristov Romeo H.'s article: 'the little "Roman" head of
Calixtlahuaja,
Mexico: some reflections'
(easiest read here: <http://www.neara.org/CARLSON/romehead.htm>

At that time the "Roman" head was thought to be the only artifact
found
during for most archaeologists acceptable excavations etc. To the
ones
found
during later years I return under own subjectline.

Then again in this case as in other there are naysayers beliving
in
the
brickwall that make any contacts over the Atlantic before
Columbus
voyages
impossible give or take a few contacts by Vikings with Indians in
northern
America. Such a scholar can be read at
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~mesmith9/tval/RomanFigurine.html> How
someone
who isn't specialist studying the subject can maintain a
brickwall
against
new information, that's incredible.

Thus I would like to give you more ref for Romeo H Hristov:
<http://www.unm.edu/~rhristov/RHH.html>
<http://www.unm.edu/~rhristov/>

More support for Hristov's precolumbian contacts can be read
about at:
<http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/romanbust.htm>
<http://migration.steinwender.co.uk/archaeology11.htm>


Because I doubt that you will mention it, I think I should cite
this
admission from the article by Hristov and Genovés in Ancient
Mesoamerica:

"Hristov (1994:69), based on the imprecise chronological placement
of
the context in which the piece was found, explored the
possibilities of
relating it with a probable arrival of Vikings to the Atlantic
coasts of
Mesoamerica between the tenth and eleventh centuries A.D. The
results of
the thermoluminescent age test make both hypotheses untenable."

But see http://tinyurl.com/26dlbd or if you want the original see


http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=566737D4A2E3
E0D334575B2F349D3586.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=43757

"In this article we discuss the results of the re-examination of a
terracotta head of supposed Roman origin found in a pre-Hispanic
burial offering near Mexico City. A thermoluminescent age test
performed in 1995 at the Forschungsstelle Archäometrie in
Heidelberg, Germany, set the age limits of the artifact at 1780 ±
400 B.P., which is consistent with the Roman-origin hypothesis. A
review of the circumstances of this discovery did not demonstrate
any sign of possible post-Columbian intrusion and permits the
acceptance of the object as the first hard evidence from
Mesoamerica to support pre-Hispanic transoceanic contacts
between the Old and New Worlds."

Even more untenable is the Quetzalcoatl hypothesis mentioned by
that
dreadful website loosely associated with the University of
Guadalajara
(which doesn't teach any archaeology).

Alan

Eric,
Guess you seen it but Alan obviously haven't. anyhow the University of
Guadalajara has following courses and programs missed by Alan:
* General History of Mexico I (Up to 1872)
This course will give a general history of prehispanic and colonial
Mexico,
as well as Mexico after independence, seen from the point of view of
history, society, economics and politics.

* Mexican Civilization and Culture: The Development of the Modern
Nation
Students following this course will receive a panoramic view of the
various
stages through which Mexican civilization has passed from indigenous
cultures to the modern state.

* Prehispanic Cultures: Culture, Society and Myth
The course describes a number of prehispanic cultures and attempts to
present the indigenous world-view, through an analysis of their myths.

And they also teach History as an own discipline.



Yes but they don't seem to have a department of archaeology. You
obviously missed that the course descriptions you mention don't say a
word about archaeology. Look at your first example: "from the point of
view of history, society, economics and politics".

Alan

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