Re: Rao, Osborn, and Frawley

On Jul 14, 4:33 pm, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote innews:1184444870.380955.12630@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:





On Jul 14, 1:51 pm, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Carl <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
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<....>> Third, the Frawley thesis is a shocker for any Westerner
who even
glances at it.
It extends vedic culture back to about 7000 BC. The date of
Rig Veda is pushed
back many thousands of years by oral tradition past a written
date of 1500 BC.
(the oldest parts of it)

<....>

By "written" do you mean that somebody has actually found parts
of it preserved in some (semi)permanent form from that time? Or
is it another way of saying that it was composed then, and a lot
of people started to commit it to memory? If it is the first
option: where, when and by whom was it found?

Max Muller was the first Sanskritist to propose a codification
date of 1200 BC for the Rig Veda.

Possehl says the history in it is earlier, how much earlier is
not known.

This subject is highly controversial. However, Han*** and
Frawley say
the Rig Veda contains history from thousands of years earlier and
most probably
was not originally written down but passed by oral tradition.

Controversial? The traditional view is that it originaly was kept
by oral tradition for a wery long time (about 1500+ years) before
anything was written down. That probably first happened during the
Gupta period (about 300 CE to 600 CE). As far as I know the
earliest surviving manuscripts are from the 15th century. I would
be very interested in any manuscripts or manuscripts fragments that
are older, or any indication that it existed in written form before
say 500 CE.

BTW there are still people who learn the vedas by heart.

If interested in the complexities, check Chapter 4 of Han***'s
book for argument.

No, I haven't gotten around to complexities, I'm still getting
through the basics - which part of Rigveda is considered historical
it contains hymns to the gods (I haven't read all of it yet, and I
find the Griffith translation really poetichttp://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/), when did they first
have domesticated cattle and horses, chariots, protective mail for
battles and iron, all of which is mentioned in the Rigveda.

If you could come up with a short summary of the arguments for a
much older origin, I might move it up a bit on my "to-do list", as
it is the Indus culture is not expected to get near the top of it
in the near future. I am considering getting a translated copy of
the Rigveda though. Any archaeological site from 7000 BCE with
domesticated horses, chariots or iron will do. Of course a really
old recipie for soma would be even better.

Lisbeth.

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I think you are sincere.

I already mentioned Kennoyer and Possehl as academics who are
considering new,
non-traditional possibilities.

Frawley is the kingfish for much earlier origin; I already gave his
link in first post of this thread.
Check it; there is much material there.

Ask me further questions as necessary.

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