Re: Rao, Osborn, and Frawley

Carl <pchristainsen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On Jul 14, 4:33 pm, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Carl <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
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On Jul 14, 1:51 pm, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Carl <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
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<....>> Third, the Frawley thesis is a shocker for any
Westerner who even
glances at it.
It extends vedic culture back to about 7000 BC. The date
of Rig Veda is pushed
back many thousands of years by oral tradition past a
written date of 1500 BC.
(the oldest parts of it)

<....>

By "written" do you mean that somebody has actually found
parts of it preserved in some (semi)permanent form from that
time? Or is it another way of saying that it was composed
then, and a lot of people started to commit it to memory? If
it is the first option: where, when and by whom was it found?

Max Muller was the first Sanskritist to propose a codification
date of 1200 BC for the Rig Veda.

Possehl says the history in it is earlier, how much earlier is
not known.

This subject is highly controversial. However, Han*** and
Frawley say
the Rig Veda contains history from thousands of years earlier
and most probably
was not originally written down but passed by oral tradition.

Controversial? The traditional view is that it originaly was
kept by oral tradition for a wery long time (about 1500+ years)
before anything was written down. That probably first happened
during the Gupta period (about 300 CE to 600 CE). As far as I
know the earliest surviving manuscripts are from the 15th
century. I would be very interested in any manuscripts or
manuscripts fragments that are older, or any indication that it
existed in written form before say 500 CE.

BTW there are still people who learn the vedas by heart.

If interested in the complexities, check Chapter 4 of
Han***'s book for argument.

No, I haven't gotten around to complexities, I'm still getting
through the basics - which part of Rigveda is considered
historical it contains hymns to the gods (I haven't read all of
it yet, and I find the Griffith translation really
poetichttp://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/), when did they
first have domesticated cattle and horses, chariots, protective
mail for battles and iron, all of which is mentioned in the
Rigveda.

If you could come up with a short summary of the arguments for a
much older origin, I might move it up a bit on my "to-do list",
as it is the Indus culture is not expected to get near the top
of it in the near future. I am considering getting a translated
copy of the Rigveda though. Any archaeological site from 7000
BCE with domesticated horses, chariots or iron will do. Of
course a really old recipie for soma would be even better.


I think you are sincere.


I was, more or less. You are getting one more chance at answering
some questions.


I already mentioned Kennoyer and Possehl as academics who are
considering new,
non-traditional possibilities.

Frawley is the kingfish for much earlier origin; I already gave
his link in first post of this thread.
Check it; there is much material there.


The article about early iron production was interesting, wikipedia
was, well wikipedia - a war that may have happened in any of
several millenia!, if it happened at all, the hindunet articles
gave "access denied" and the others - interesting, although I don't
really see what relevance they have to this thread.

I did google Frawley and Han*** and found:
http://www.grahamhan***.com/underworld/review2.php

It gave me a feeling of deja-vu. I could have sworn I have read
exactly the same text about Egypt and the pyramids.



Ask me further questions as necessary.

Well, since I haven't got Hancocks book around and it will take
some time to get it, if I decide to get it on interlibrary loan -
is his argument for an older date, that the temples are aligned
with the stars in Orion? Or does he have any other arguments?

How long do you think it took from the Vedas were composed until
they were written down?

And what parts of the Rigveda are supposed to be historical?


Lisbeth.

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