Re: Vedic Origins of the Zodiac

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:33:58 -0400, "Searles O'Dubhain"
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Carl wrote:
On Jul 28, 3:30 pm, Doug Weller <dwel...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:56:04 -0400, in sci.archaeology, Searles
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"Carl" <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I recommend -
Vedic Origins of the Zodiac: The Hymns of Dirghatamas in the Rig Veda
By David Frawley
http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/origins-zodiac.html
"It is not surprising that India could have invented the zodiac and
circle of 360 degrees."
Regards,
David Christainsen
Newton, Mass USA
I enjoy reading many of David Frawley's philosophical and spiritual
discussions of the Vedas. Hopefully, the historical aspect and
archaeological aspects of Vedic history will achieve greater clarity as
scientific methods are applied to the records of each of those
scientific
disciplines. It is difficult to cross-reference traditions to
scientific
data. When such things occur in an objective manner is when IMO the
greatest
advances occur in philosophy, historical understanding and
archaeological
discoveries.
That being said, I'd love to see unbiased information, data, theories,
explorations and analyses on the India sub continent as I believe it to
be
one of the cradles of early civilization and scientific discovery.
And you won't get that from Frawley.

Doug
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Try -

Origins of Vedic Civilization by Kenneth Chandler Ph.D.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/193663/Origins-of-Vedic-Civilization

Christ, Carl, do you go out of your way to find the most off-the-wall
folks to bring here? You're like a little kid who takes a dump in the back
yard, and brings in to your parents in both hands, expecting to be
rewarded for doing poopsies so well.

Here is you Dr. Chandler:

"Kenneth Chandler holds a Ph.D. in philosophy from the University of Texas
at Austin. He is Head of the Department of the Science of Creative
Intelligence at Maharishi International University."

http://www.mum.edu/msvs/Chandler4.html

From that page:

"It is a widespread belief in the 20th century that the only valid method
of gaining knowledge is by moving outward through the senses, that is,
through the methods of the empirical sciences. It is, however, only the
historical failure of subjective approaches that has led to this belief.
It cannot be known that the senses are the only way of gaining knowledge,
and those who cling to the belief that it is, only allow old habits to
stand in the way of exploring new possible sources of knowledge.

"Subjective approaches to knowledge in the past failed to bear fruit
because they failed to provide an effective and reliable method of access
to an invariant and universal domain of direct experience. They thus
failed to establish independent standards of knowledge, they failed to
produce methods of distinguishing truth from error, they failed to produce
consensus even among those practicing the same method, and they failed to
produce practical technological benefits through the practice of the
method.

"The Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field is different from
subjective approaches in the past, and must therefore be considered on
separate grounds. It provides an effective, reliable method of opening the
mind to an invariant and universal level of nature which is everywhere,
and yet not ordinarily open to experience because the mind functions on
more active levels. By providing a technology to make this non-active
level of nature available as a direct experience, Maharishi has made this
domain available to all as a new field of inquiry; and where there is a
new source of experience of something universal, unchanging, and
objectively verifiable, a new source of knowledge is available.

"The Science of Creative Intelligence gives a new account of how complete
knowledge is possible. When the mind becomes completely settled and still,
according to this account, it gains the ability to perceive on the most
refined levels of nature's functioning the all-pervading unified field
where all laws reside in a collective totality. It not only experiences
this unified field, it becomes identified with it; it is the unified field
and thus knows the unified field as its own universal Self. On this level
of knowledge, there is no separation of knower from the known. Nothing
lies outside the range of the knower. All laws of nature and everything in
the universe can be known as intimately as one's own Self. Mind and body
cease to be seen as separate realities."

So, not science.

Piss off, troll.

This sounds likes Yogic philosophy which is based on a denial of the
objective world as being merely illusion. If one acts outside of the normal
system, then it has merit if and only if there are changes that it can cause
inside of the system. The basic problem in such areas is being able to set
up a repeatable and verifiable experiment. Of course,this all has nada to do
with archaeology except for perhaps explaining why certain groups of people
organized their societies as they did and committed huge amounts of physical
resources to temples and other ritual sites. I guess the same case can be
made for the influences of other religions and religious viewpoints on
societies and their histories. Very much today the world is undergoing
transitions and changes due to at least two seeming opposing religions.

There's nothing wrong with philosophy except that it's not archaeology. :-)

Is archaeology devoid of philosophy?



Eric Stevens
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