Re: The first Mehrgarhans did not come overland from the west

Carl wrote:
On Jul 28, 4:46 pm, "Peter Alaca" <p.al...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
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Since they were already farmers according to Possehl,
He did not say that, as you show yourself below.

Gregory L. Possehl, Indus Age: The Beginnings, 440, University of
Pennsylvania Press, 1999
"already farmers"

Which book you haven't read. Or have you by now done your due diligence and actually read it?

Quotations from All-Hands-On-*** are useless; his bibliography might not always be.

I say river
delta cultivation is the clue to their homeland, possibly land that
was inundated at the end of the Ice Age to the north, south, and
east of Gujerat.
AFAIK nowhere agriculture developed in lowlands.
And if the Mehrgarh farmer came from around
Gujarat, why is there no earlier agriculture in Gujarat?
You say, but what evidence do you have?

In the speculative hypothesis (no archaeological evidence yet) the
submerged
Gujarat (see Glenn Milne) had a river delta where the pre-Mehrgarhans
practised agriculture.

So your speculation relies on absence of evidence (the region that could support it is conveniently submerged). In the face of which you have decided to ignore Peter's references about the highland origins of the types of foods found cultivated at Mehrgarh, and the broad zone of their early dispersal.

As part of your 'speculation', you give us a _mathematician's_ maunderings about the origin of _rice_ cultivation; even though rice was not cultivated at Mehrgarh early on.

NATURAL HISTORY OF THE VEDIC CIVILIZATION By Navaratna Rajaram
http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/vedic-civilzation.html
"[A]griculture and livestock spread to parts of India from its
origin in the east, near the Mekong region" at least as late as
10,000 BC.
So?

The Lukacs finding on the first Mehrgarhans is echoed with more
amplification - the big picture. BUT, the details are missing.

And you don't seem interested in doing the actual research to find out what is known by actual archaeologists.

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Possehl explains the "sudden" appearance of the strangely
sophisticated village farming community at Mehrgarh as an artefact
of incomplete excavations and is confident that "the beginnings of
food production and domestication in the region" will eventually be
traced - within the region itself.
" Within the region itself" means Baluchistan, not Gujarat.

Agreed.

Please expand on what this means for your 'speculations'.

Also he relates the level of
development that archaeologists have exposed in Stage One to that
of so-called PPNB ["Pre-Pottery Neolithic 'B'] sites in the Levant.
Recall that he also says the really early experiments with food
production on the Indo-Iranian borderlands are in the mountains of
Baluchistan, the Northwest Frontier, and Afghanistan, at such
places as Aq Kupruk.
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Either the first Mehrgarhans evolved their food-producing skills in
the
submontane belt around the foothills of the Karakorams and the
Himalayas earlier than 9000 years ago OR they evolved their skills
somewhere else such as a river delta on great perennial rivers
bursting forth from the Himalayas-Indus, Sutlej, Sarasvati (now dry),
Yamuna and Ganga in North India.
The second possibility, not the first, is favored by the ancient
traditions of India itself.
Who are "the ancient traditions of India" ?
Remember that we are talking archaeology

No, not archaeology.

Then do not bring it up.

<snip admittedly off-topic crap>

Let's discuss all aspects to get at the answer to Mehrgarh's origin.
Read what Petraglia & Allchin have to say
(see the thread 'Origines agricultural package
Pakistan and Indus valley', download the pdf
and read more)
And do not ignore what you don't like.
...

OK, I will.

Why not do that instead of posting crap about Sages and, of all crackpot things, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's 'technologies'?

You weary me.

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