Re: The Origin of the Sea Peoples

On Aug 1, 8:34 pm, Samra <minoanatlan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 1, 10:34 am, grapheus <graph...@xxxxxxx> wrote:



On Aug 1, 12:48 pm, "asteropaeus via HistoryKB.com" <u36063@uwe>
wrote:

This i think is the core of what we are discussing.......I think this is true
only if you know the sea, people and weather conditions in the region where
you are travelling, and can, kind of, predict them. Doing something like this
on ONE long trip over seas and conditions you do not know, generally is
suicide i believe.(with oars)......And I do not think I would be afraid to
have wind straight AGAINST me. It would be the side-wind towards land, (or
open sea in a storm) that would worry me..... that actually has killing
potential.

...now lets be practical....If someone travels over sea on the Mediterranian,
he will have a certain destination in mind, but also has to deal with the
conditions given. He will be, at some time, be confronted with conditions
that are against his planned destination.
Very often you can not choose how to tackle such a situation...there is only
a limited amount of solutions.

If you wish to travel Westwards for example and there is a strong Northern-
wind you cannot use your sail since it would make you drift in the southern
direction and to open sea....(especially if your ship does not have a
pronounced keel)....But also rowing becomes hasardous..again....because of
the danger of drifting...
That, you want to avoid this for several reasons A) you were not planning to
go South B) you have to get on land (against the wind in this example)
sometime, to obtain fresh water for your rowers.C) you need to have a general
idea where you are, which deminishes when you are at open sea.

Now your idea is they could go against the wind. If your planned route is
strictly West this will not do. In a strong Nothern wind the only really safe
directions to travel, are against the wind and with the wind, not East or
West...... you are somehow stuck in this situation.

Any wise seaman would wait for the wind to get less strong, or wait for it to
change direction.
An other option is to take a different route and sail with the wind, or try
to row North, and get some place from where you can go West again, but this
is dependent on your location. If you are some where on the Anatolian
Southcoast for example, this is impossible for obvious reasons.

....this is just an example, but what i want to say with it, is that
covering long distances by ship, in those times was not a simple liniar
process from A to B, but one that involved many factors and was therefore, of
a much more chaotic nature. If you are transporting something valuable, not
just fleeing from hunger of war, the risks you take will be much lower...and
time becomes less important than safety.

An other thing you should take in account here, I think, is the fact that you
continuously need fresh water, if you are travelling like this. Every so many
days you will need to get on land and get it.
Humans need drinking-water and like to live close to it, so you are bound to
meet people when you obtain your water. People that, in this situation, most
probably outnumber you.
You will have to deal with this, and ASK for water. If they refuse you have
an other "limiting" condition, that could become fatal. Etc. (war or thurst)

I really like the fact you strongly believe (and want to believe) in your
theory, without resorting to any form of arrogance within discussions. I
think you could refine your theory though....which would make it only better.

Did you for example, read the papers of Eric Cline , Watrous, P.A. Mountjoy
(Anatolian-connection) and Chr.Mee on trade relations in the Aegian? They are
really good sources to get an idea how things went on, in this era and later,
since they do not conclude too much, but give good accounts of the
archeological records and the relevant data they think you can and cannot yet,
retrieve from it.

Asteropaeus

Too bad that you cannot read French.. You would have found in the book
I told you about a few days ago a lot of answers to your questions !..

grapheus

Samra wrote:
On Jul 30, 10:13 am, "asteropaeus via HistoryKB.com" <u36063@uwe>
wrote:
Yes ofcourse that was pricisely my point..
Did you get me wrong here?....
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
--
Message posted viahttp://www.historykb.com

Thanks for the info. I'm going to give it further study. But, even if
their sails were less capable and able to tack into the wind don't you
think they would have just relied more on their oars? If you get
thirty or forty oars going with strong bodies behind them, it's going
to take a pretty strong wind to impede their progress even if they
took their sail down and rowed straight into it. Don't you think?

W. Sheppard Baird

Author - "The Minoan Psychopath"
http://www.minoanatlantis.com

--
Message posted via HistoryKB.comhttp://www.historykb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/archaeology/200708/1-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wish I could read French but unforunately can't. I was hoping that
you might briefly summarize the point(s) the author of your referenced
book makes in regard to our discussion. I would appreciate it.

Thank you,

Sorry, but it's really too difficult to give a Summary of this book.
The story of the Sea People that it reconstructs is really too
complex...

grapheus

.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: The Origin of the Sea Peoples
    ... have wind straight AGAINST me. ... open sea in a storm) that would worry me..... ... continuously need fresh water, if you are travelling like this. ...
    (sci.archaeology)
  • Re: The Origin of the Sea Peoples
    ... have wind straight AGAINST me. ... open sea in a storm) that would worry me..... ... continuously need fresh water, if you are travelling like this. ...
    (sci.archaeology)
  • Re: The Origin of the Sea Peoples
    ... have wind straight AGAINST me. ... open sea in a storm) that would worry me..... ... continuously need fresh water, if you are travelling like this. ...
    (sci.archaeology)
  • Re: Maine Passage - Day 6
    ... enough, here they came, and the wind clocked around to the north ... gusts, and back up to a beam reach when the winds dropped back ... Flying Pig was quite a lady, as, during the ... and have the luxury of lots of sea ...
    (rec.boats.cruising)