Re: Were Africans Capsa and the Basques of Prehistoric Spain?

On Aug 28, 5:55 pm, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:20:28 -0700, David <pchristain...@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Aug 23, 6:03 pm, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:12:56 +0100, Doug Weller

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:39:53 +1200, in sci.archaeology, Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:05:45 +1000, "Peter Jason" <p...@xxxxxxxxxx>
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On Aug 22, 3:51 pm, Doug Weller
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:54:17 -0000, in
sci.archaeology, Marc Washington
wrote:

<snip racist nonsense>

...1) The Bible and speaks to the unity
of the people as one large
extended family who established much of
the ancient world and names
many of its renowed cities:

Even more fantasy. He's wrong on the
linguistic issues, the
archaeological issues, the genetic issues,
so no wonder he resorts to
this.

Racists do whatever they have to in order
to maintain their racist
fantasies. Washington is no better than the
worst Ku Kluxer.

Racists are not necessarily wrong. They
display common human nature in grouping
things and people, and forming conclusions
therefrom.

Academics can be racist too when they rank
people by education and association. Indeed
*I* have been a victim because I was called
a 'troll' once, possibly because of some
alternate theories about this 'n that to
which I subscribe.

If you condemn racists you are guilty of it
too.

In some senses I don't give a damn about races but nevertheless I
recognise them as existing. What does get my goat is people (in this
news group) who evaluate theories or ideas in terms of their
perceptions of racism. e.g. such people will condemn anyone who offers
even a hint of beliefs in cultural diffusion as being racist.

There have been a couple of occasions when I have argued that people
who apply the test of 'racism' to every idea they encounter are,
themselves, by the consistent application of race related tests,
displaying a form of racism.

Guess what - my use of this argument has caused me to be labeled a
'racist'.

I still don't give a damn. :-)

'every idea'? You exaggerate.
Marc's ideas are based on skin colour.

My remarks were general and not particularly directed at Marc's views.

Side comment -- your perception of what is racist stems from your
background, the culture you grew up in, etc. Right?

An interesting comment. Are you saying that I see some patterns of
behaviour as racist and other patterns of behaviour as not racist, and
what I regard as racist behaviour is shaped by my background and
culture?

I suppose there is an element of truth in that but I don't think it is
strictly correct. Obviously I do have views on what constitutes
different races but to a considerable extent my classification is
based as much on culture as on genetics or physiology.

I think the simplest way of explaining my attitude towards racism is
that I regard as racist anyone who passes all questions through a
filter of race before reaching a conclusion. I am assuming of course
that the filter is used to limit or distort the range of possible
conclusions.

My own preference is to evaluate the facts and reach whatever
conclusion may be appropriate on their basis. The conclusion may or
not be the same as that reached by other people but that's OK. If
someone else's conclusion has been reached with the aid of a racial
filter then I regard that persons reasoning as racist.

The common view is that racism is one way - the superior white
european supposedly looks down on all coloured people as inferiors.
(In fact racial prejudice is common between virtually all
racial/cultural groups.) A person who denigrates in their thinking
anyone who is coloured is, by the common definition, a racist. But
what about the person who tries to restore what they perceive as
balance by biasing their thinking in favour of the so-called inferior
race. Are they not being as racist as the person who denigrates that
race?

'Diffusion' is the classic arena for this kind of battle. In the 19th
century the common european attitude was that similarities between the
historical culture of europe and one of the 'lesser' races was due to
ideas from europe being diffused to the other parts of the world. The
bias that led to this style of thinking is undoubtedly racist. But
what about the counter argument - that no diffusion could have
possibly occurred and that all similarities are due to independent
invention. To me, the determined defence of that argument seems just
as racist as the imbalance it is trying to correct. That's why I say
'Damn the questions of race - what are the facts?'

Eric Stevens

To me if a person of whatever race can program software on a computer,
such merit dominates any other factor in consideration of how
correctly
to evaluate such a person. IOW, such a person is OK.

Thus, I agree with you.

I know an awful lot of people who meet your test but would fail mine.
For that matter I know a probably larger number of people who would
fail your tests and pass mine.

Your test is probably OK if you are using it for a specific purpose
but if you use it as a matter of course for all interactions with
other people then I think you are probably wrong to do so.

But never mind. I've made my point clear. I see no purpose in
discussing this further.

Eric Stevens

I also will very probably not discuss this per se further except to
make
the general observation that true science (archaeology) is free from
racial prejudice.

.

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