Re: Homo erectus, city dweller and sailor

J.LyonLayden wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:59 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
MINERVA JULY/AUGUST 2007 (VOL 18.4)
MINERVA WORLD EXCLUSIVE A New Palaeolithic Revolution
The 'Rangki Papa' ('Father of all Rafts') built using Palaeolithic
technology and approaching the coast of Komodo, Bali, having succeeded
in crossing from Sumbawa, 7 October 2004. The vessel travelled 36.4km
in 9 hours 22 minutes,
While very interesting one has ask after the credibility of a man who thinks
showing a raft can float has any bearing upon what he it talking about. It leads
me to suspect the article has been sanitized to eliminate his wilder ideas.

No he's actually quite sane and has good reason for his experiment.
Thor Heyerdal did a similar thing and it helped our understnading.
Here's an article on the raft guy:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20031018/bob8.asp

Heyerdahl was an idiot too. Showing it "can" be done is a far cry from showing it was deliberately done. The FIRST Egyptians to do it knew where they were headed, carried enough food and water for the trip and knew chose the best route from their non-existent knowledge of tides and winds. Give me a break. And then drowned on the first attempt because even Heyerdahl couldn't get it right the first time.

Sure the first was blown off course. Right! So they just happened to have a huge, sufficiently provisioned ship blown off course from its usual point to point hopping down the west coast of Africa.

And then, Heyerdahl didn't show a damned thing unless he sailed back on the same boat. Or did the first magically find exactly the right type of reeds and fibers and all the rest?

Problem is this makes an outstanding question worse. That is the sudden rise of
civilization by HSS after being around for 100,000 years or so. Now we have HSS
seeing HE villages from his first appearance and still not getting the idea
until 6000 years ago.

No he got the idea. Dolni Vestonice is 26000 ybp, and it was more
complex than this. the implication is that the genus Homo has been
building stone huts since 500,000 or earlier. We just haven't been
looking in the right places. And also, stone wasn't always the
material used, so it didn't always last.

So tell me why Homos with bigger brains did not imitate this behavior which was clearly advantageous else Erectus would not have wasted the effort. We keep up with the Jones. Why did not our ancestors keep up with the Erecti?

Have you seen some of the caves that neanderthal lived in? They were
really cool caves.

Why would you bother building a stone hut if you had a naturally made
apartment complex, like the caves in France?

What does any of that have to do with it? Erectus was around when humans first appeared and have been found in all the tropical areas where Sapiens is found and contemporaneous with them. I expect bigger and better Sapiens cities in the same places at the same time. Yet we still have nothing until 6000 years ago.

What I want to know is, what do these guys propose that HE was fishing
with? The oldest known hook is 20,000 ybp.

Spears, pointed sticks, capture pools, bare hands. It is only when a few need to feed many that something more advanced is needed. That is division of labor which is a separate line of development that only appears in cities. Farmers do everything for themselves.

Maybe hooks were made of bone before that time, and hence perishable?
Or maybe they've got evidence of spear fishing or nets in the village?

Any pro out there with good educated guess?

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