Re: Homo erectus, city dweller and sailor

On Sep 7, 6:32 am, "J.LyonLayden" <JosephLay...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 7, 4:30 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





J.LyonLayden wrote:
On Sep 6, 9:59 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
MINERVA JULY/AUGUST 2007 (VOL 18.4)
MINERVA WORLD EXCLUSIVE A New Palaeolithic Revolution
The 'Rangki Papa' ('Father of all Rafts') built using Palaeolithic
technology and approaching the coast of Komodo, Bali, having succeeded
in crossing from Sumbawa, 7 October 2004. The vessel travelled 36.4km
in 9 hours 22 minutes,
While very interesting one has ask after the credibility of a man who thinks
showing a raft can float has any bearing upon what he it talking about. It leads
me to suspect the article has been sanitized to eliminate his wilder ideas.

No he's actually quite sane and has good reason for his experiment.
Thor Heyerdal did a similar thing and it helped our understnading.
Here's an article on the raft guy:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20031018/bob8.asp

Heyerdahl was an idiot too. Showing it "can" be done is a far cry from showing
it was deliberately done. The FIRST Egyptians to do it knew where they were
headed, carried enough food and water for the trip and knew chose the best route
from their non-existent knowledge of tides and winds. Give me a break. And then
drowned on the first attempt because even Heyerdahl couldn't get it right the
first time.

Sure. They might have died thew second and third time too.
So how do you think the homo erecti got to flores? Floating on
seaweed?
Give ME a break.



Sure the first was blown off course. Right! So they just happened to have a
huge, sufficiently provisioned ship blown off course from its usual point to
point hopping down the west coast of Africa.

And then, Heyerdahl didn't show a damned thing unless he sailed back on the
same boat. Or did the first magically find exactly the right type of reeds and
fibers and all the rest?

Huh?



Problem is this makes an outstanding question worse. That is the sudden rise of
civilization by HSS after being around for 100,000 years or so. Now we have HSS
seeing HE villages from his first appearance and still not getting the idea
until 6000 years ago.
No he got the idea. Dolni Vestonice is 26000 ybp, and it was more
complex than this. the implication is that the genus Homo has been
building stone huts since 500,000 or earlier. We just haven't been
looking in the right places. And also, stone wasn't always the
material used, so it didn't always last.

So tell me why Homos with bigger brains did not imitate this behavior which was
clearly advantageous else Erectus would not have wasted the effort. We keep up
with the Jones. Why did not our ancestors keep up with the Erecti?

They DID!
This isn't the first hut ever found! It's just the first stone hut.
Man has been making huts, and moreover STONE huts, for 500,000 years.
It's just that archeologists find an incredibly low fraction of what
was actually created.

http://prehistoricfantasy.blogspot.com/2007/07/villages-of-homo-erect...

Most likely the reason you find more mammoth ivory/hide huts in europe
than stone huts is because mammoth ivory/hide huts were better for the
conditions.



Have you seen some of the caves that neanderthal lived in? They were
really cool caves.
Why would you bother building a stone hut if you had a naturally made
apartment complex, like the caves in France?

What does any of that have to do with it? Erectus was around when humans first
appeared and have been found in all the tropical areas where Sapiens is found
and contemporaneous with them. I expect bigger and better Sapiens cities in the
same places at the same time. Yet we still have nothing until 6000 years ago.

What are you talking about? Jericho is better and it's 10,000 years
old. There's a temple dated 13000 years old. the cro-magnons built
long houses much better than these little huts. Dolni Vistonice is
better and dates from 26,000 years old. before that, there are lean-
tos and evidence of huts made from perishable material and stone
circle bases going back hundreds of thousands of years.



What I want to know is, what do these guys propose that HE was fishing
with? The oldest known hook is 20,000 ybp.

Spears, pointed sticks, capture pools, bare hands. It is only when a few need
to feed many that something more advanced is needed. That is division of labor
which is a separate line of development that only appears in cities. Farmers do
everything for themselves.

I want a definite educated answer from someone with a PHD in the area,
or at least a degree. You thought that humans didn't make huts until
6000 years ago so please excuse me if I wait for a second opinion. No
offense.





Maybe hooks were made of bone before that time, and hence perishable?
Or maybe they've got evidence of spear fishing or nets in the village?
Any pro out there with good educated guess?

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I believe Matt made a typo, it should have been 60,000, not 6,000
years. While I have no PHD, just a degree, I did study this intensely
for a few years. After Mt. Toba there seems to be no finds of
erectus, just Neanderthals. I searched everywhere I knew to look, and
could discover no evidence found of them after the super eruption. I
believe a few erectus flint tools have been discoverd recently above
the ash layer in Asia and the debate is going on if it means anything
or not. But that modern humans came out of Africa 55-50,000 years ago
and took a migration route down the seacoasts to Asia is a pretty well
established fact now. Asia was empty of any species similar to us.
Again, I would point you to the Cambridge study. Regards, Ken
--
"Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com

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