Re: Homo erectus, city dweller and sailor

On Sep 8, 10:08 pm, veritas <khogan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 8, 7:30 am, "J.LyonLayden" <JosephLay...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Sep 8, 12:00 am, veritas <khogan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 7, 4:15 pm, Doug Weller <dwel...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:23:59 +0200, in sci.archaeology, Hayabusa wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:05:03 -0700, Jack Linthicum
<jacklinthi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

MINERVA JULY/AUGUST 2007 (VOL 18.4)

MINERVA WORLD EXCLUSIVE A New Palaeolithic Revolution

Jerome M. Eisenberg, Ph.D. and Dr Sean Kingsley

Don't know who Kingsley is, but Jerome M Eisenberg is owner of the
Royal Athena Ancient Art Gallery, an art dealership specializing in
ancient art with shops in New York, London and Beverly Hills. Maybe
the hype in the text is his, after all he is a salesman. I would judge
him as sufficiently knowledgeable in ancient cultures to listen if he
speaks.

Minerva is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal, but a journal of
the international art trade.

It is an extremely odd journal for this to be published in. We need to
wait for something a bit more informative and for other archaeologists to
look at it.

The results have convinced Bednarik that 'Between 400,000
and 200,000 years ago, hominins are also known to have crossed to at
least two islands in Europe, Corsica, and Sardinia. This is soundly
demonstrated, but in addition it is possible that much earlier they
managed to cross the Strait of Gibraltar. Unfortunately, that cannot
be proved conclusively,

HSS reached Corsica and Sardinia around 7000 BCE. I am not aware of
human traces before that, especially not of HSN or his ancestors.

Hayabusa

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Here is where I see the differences. Cambridge University says all
modern humans came from a small group in Africa. About 10,000 adult
modern humans. We migrated out of Africa and in 47,000 years went
from flint tools to landing men on the moon. All of these other
species that may or may not be any kin to us had hundreds of thousands
of years and they did nothing. Eat, mate, survive just like the other
animals. We don't, we press forward as hard as we can go. Does not
everyone see we are not them? Something radical happened, what I have
no idea, but as we are no kin to Neanderthal, we may not be kin to
erectus or any of them. DNA studies do not conclude we are. There
are major questions still to be solved. We took over the world in
47,000 years, they couldn't do it ever. Something was different. And
so, on we go. Regards, Ken
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I don't see how it's our species that differentiates us. We did
nothing for 130,000 years before he stepped up beyond the other
hominids as far as technology goes, indicating it was a social change
rather than a biological change.

I suspect not that we are different from other Hss, but that Hss and
maybe even Hs had periods of technological advancement too. We either
haven't found the evidence yet, or it got erased by fallout from the
asteroid crash of 160 million ybp that was the cause of the end of the
dinosaurs and is still sending debris towards us today. Or by
something like your Mt. Tobas.

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The problem seems to be that after Mt. Toba there was no one here
other than three to four thousand Neanderthals. Hunter gatherers do

Here is where we must agree to disagree, because there are verified
dates for homo erectus soloensis after Toba:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/274/5294/1870?ijkey=18ad8bf61b2318074e3de1b24dc319766753bdd0&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha


very badly in five to six years of winter. Neanderthals needed no
carbs to live, just protein. All of a sudden 10,000 adult DNA
combinations pop up in North Africa. There was not supposed to be
anyone there and take over the world in 47,000 years. As the DNA

But most archeologists say that there were homo sapiens in africa from
at least 120,000 on up into the present.

Soloensis survived the volcanoe while living right next to it, so I
don't see why african hominids couldn't as well.

studies just published proves. We had no help from anyone, not even
the few Neanderthals. We did things that were unthinkable ever for
any animal that we know has ever lived on this planet. Maybe there
were stone huts 500,000 B.C.E., but that still does not explain the
sudden explosion of our measely 10,000 DNA combinations and what we
have accomplished in the time it took erectus or Neanderthal to add an
extra piece of flint tool to use to their inventory. And for whoever


That's not necessarily true. Neanderthal did exceedingly well for
250,000 years, which is more than we can say. And if stone huts can go
unnoticed, so can other things that we don't yet realize neanderthal
made.

You are dismissing working in perishable items. And they had lots of
advancements. neanderthals developed flutes with finger holes, burying
the dead, etc.

Neanderthal abandoned the mousterian and went to the same kind of
technology that Cro-Magnon was using BEFORE cro-magnon got into his
area, so for all intents and purposes the technology was a social
revolution, not a physiological one. Neanderthals were advancing, and
also show new innovative hunting techniques at this time, not shared
by the cro-magnons.

And neanderthal had a brigger brain with more folds, which indicates
greater intelligence in all other species on earth.


made the remark about the cool caves in Europe the Neanderthals had,
they didn't paint any of that art. That was all done by modern humans,

I know, but the caves themselves were cool. They look like apartment
buildings. Natural, of course.


40,000 years ago or later. The Neanderthals could not hardly hold
their own against the Giant Cave Bears, must less create art. If they

They kicked some cave bear ass for 250,000 years. The neanderthals
have tons of remains, unlike other hominids, which means they were
thriving.


ever did, it was by imitating what they saw us do. We of course wiped
out every Giant Cave Bear on Earth in about 20,000 years. The war is
fascinating. But as we all know, you can't live with bears! Bearman
should have remembered that. Regards, Ken

I'm not sure I agree. Cave bear was not the only megafauna that died
out.
70% of megafauna died out. If we're responsible, why haven't we done
that much devastation hence?
Hunter-gatherers are more respectful of the environment than modern
man has ever been, and we haven't even killed off any species by
hunting alone, except maybe the dodo. Sure we stopped short of hunting
a few endangered species to extinction, we have guns, germs, and
steel, and a hunter-getherer would never let it get that far even if
they could do more damage with flit than we can with super-technology.

I think we both see the same problems in pre-history, but we see
different solutions. Only time will tell, if that.


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