Re: Jomon References

On Sep 14, 12:32 am, Doug Weller <dwel...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:23:21 -0000, in sci.archaeology, J.LyonLayden
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On Sep 13, 1:53 pm, "Digger" <p.du...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"J.LyonLayden" <JosephLay...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Sep 13, 11:25 am, "Digger" <p.du...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"J.LyonLayden" <JosephLay...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
For instance, when a text book says that agriculture started
independently and seperately in Korea at 15,000 and Turkey in 10,000
and mesopotamia in 8,000 then we think "How can that be?"

Why shouldn't it be? Why shouldn't people of similar intellect presented
with similar problems in what are often similar environments come up with
similar solutions?

Well for one because they didn't. Rice cultivation in Korea happened
before the end of the last ice age.

I am talking about hypotheticals here. The dates are not important within
the context of the point I'm trying to make. I am talking about the idea of
indepenant development of ideas and techniques. It doesn't matter if it's
15,000 years or 150,000! Would be interested to know how far back you are
going when you talk about the end of the last ice age and would like to see
a peer-reviewed article which verifies this very early date for rice
cultivation, (as opposed to the exploitation of wild rice).

Same damn thing to me. There we have one of the reasons why archies
and laymen can't communicate. We use the same words for different
things.

That isn't true.
But you use words strangely, take your insistence that the word 'science'
means something different from the way it is normally used (and taught in
schools.





But I have the article bookmarked on my PC at home and it came from a
respectable source. I think it was National Geo but I can't be
perfectly sure.

The date of 28000 BC comes from National Geo for a New Guinea Island
where they've found residue from tubors or something on handtools,
with the residue's DNA or whatever being indicitave of cultivated
rather than wild.

Can you give me some links to the evidence of small-scale garden plots
before 15,000 please?
Would be very valuable in my research.

Can't give you any references. I merely suggest the possibility as I see no
reason why it could not have happened. Note : I do not say that garden plots
DID exist, I merely suggest it may have been possible. You may call that
speculation if you wish but at least I don't include any aliens in my
suggestion. :) YOu might want to have a look athttp://www.intute.ac.uk/to
see if any such references have been listed there.

At least Han*** recognizes things like that and points it out, though
he admittedly takes his derivitave speculations too far in the pursuit
of an agenda or a fat wallet.

Which therefore undermines any claims he might make to credibility

Why? Surely you are not saying that there is not one single verifiable
fact in any of Han***'s work. Why throw the baby out with the bath
water?

So how many unverifiable assertions are we to trawl through in order to find
the one or two that might be sound? And amidst the throng of wild ideas how
are we to recognise the sensible ones? It reminds me of the boy who cried
wolf!

But the most likely people to find such a thing would BE the very
archaeologists you so criticise and I can assure you that if they did
they
would be just as excited as anyone else!

Well, admittedly, they did find it, and they were excited. But for
some reason you haven't heard about it yet.

The reason I haven't heard about it is simply because it lies outside my
area of interest. My principal interests lie in the British Neolithic and
Bronze Age and regrettably I don't have enough hours in the day to read up
on all things palaeolithic or anything more recent than the British Late
Pre-Roman Iron Age.

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