Re: Ancient Greenland mystery has a simple answer, it seems:Thingsgot colder and they left.

On Nov 30, 12:21 am, "Inger E" <ingere.johans...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Tom McDonald" <kilt...@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandetnews:1ba94ec1-3d09-40c0-a5a0-fec21089dd11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Nov 29, 11:44 pm, "Inger E" <ingere.johans...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Inger E wrote:
"Matt Giwer" <jul...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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Jack Linthicum wrote:
"During the same time period, a lot of Norse settlements in
Iceland
and northern Norway were being abandoned, but nobody writes big
books
about that," Niels Lynnerup, a forensic anthropologist at the
University of Copenhagen in Denmark who studies the Norse says.
"I'm
not sure that the Norse saw Greenland as being very different from
the
fjords they came from in Norway, and leaving it was no more
stressful
than abandoning a hamlet in Norway." His theory: In the 1300s and
1400s, Greenland's youths voted with their feet, leaving until the
colony could no longer support itself. The last few left.
...
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1128/p13s01-stgn.html
I read that too. And my first thought was HUH!?!!? All my 62 years
that
is
the
only reason I ever heard. I was not paying attention when it became
a
mystery.
The reason was always because the climate got colder. I am shocked
I
missed not
knowing that the reason has been known at least all my life.

Science writer syndrome strikes again.

First of all the notes re. Northern Norway might be a bit too hasty.
That
said Greenland wasn't abondoned due to the climate, nor did the
young
ones
move to Iceland, Ireland, England or Scandinavia. Most of them moved
to
NA
especially to places where they could hunt whales. What's incredible
is
that
so many scholars missed that the Norse in Greenland were better
skilled
hunting whales than the Inuits and that this can be proven from for
example
artifacts found by the Pfaff-voyage studies.
(A copy of that can be found here in Gothenburg but not in the
expected
archives... Good photos and ref to where the artifact is to be
found)

What do the 'Pfaff-voyage studies' say, specifically relevant to
the issue of the relative skills of Inuit vs. Greenlander
Europeans? Be very, very specific.

When archaeologists and alike been on a place doing research and have
photos
of dated artifacts they found,
and those photos and datings show that the Inuits weren't the only ones
to
hunt whales, then that's significant. Isn't it?

Apart from that. If the Inuits had been the ones who gave, sold or
elsewhat
even half of the whale's parts that the Norse distributed over Europe,
there
had to have been several hundreds Inuits employed by the Norse. The
whales
and the walrus products didn't 'fall' on Norwegian and Orkney ships from
the
heaven!

What do the 'Pfaff-voyage studies' say, specifically relevant to
the issue of the relative skills of Inuit vs. Greenlander
Europeans? Be very, very specific.

As I said NORSE and others whale-tools (harpoons etc) found showen on photos
from excavation.



You did not answer my question. Please do so.

I did. But as often before you didn't understand what I wrote.

You didn't answer my question. Here it comes again:
Apart from that. If the Inuits had been the ones who gave, sold or elsewhat
even half of the whale's parts that the Norse distributed over Europe, there
had to have been several hundreds Inuits employed by the Norse??? (missed
'?' in my prior post)

The whales and the walrus products didn't 'fall' on Norwegian and Orkney
ships from the
heaven!

Do you not know how to compare and contrast two different things? I
asked for the *relative* skills of the Greenlander Europeans vs. the
Inuit in the matter of whale hunting. You have told us:

"What's incredible is that so many scholars missed that the Norse in
Greenland were *better skilled* hunting whales than the Inuits and
that this can be proven from for example artifacts found by the Pfaff-
voyage studies." (Emphasis added.)

What I was asking was not whether the Greenlander Europeans hunted
whales successfully. I do not question that. My question was what was
your evidence that they were 'better skilled' (a comparative) than the
Inuit at the task.

If you only mean that they had metal tools to hunt whales, and the
Inuit didn't, just say that. Or if you mean that they and the Inuit
both could hunt whales successfully, just say *that*.

But if you mean to say that the Greenlander Europeans were *better
skilled* than the Inuit at hunting whales, please show your evidence
that you think supports your comparative.

Be very, very specific.

Well?
.

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