Let me explain the simple process
- From: "Lars Wilson" <siaxares@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:40:41 -0600
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On Jan 30, 8:28 pm, "Lars Wilson" <siaxa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Let's see how smart the archaeology scientists are.
Some people just want to believe in conspiracies. They're the ones who
aren't very bright.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
Okay. I grant you that we should all be skeptics. But let me just explain
the "academic" process involved when investigating historical revisionism.
In this case two discrepancies have to be resolved:
1. The Delian Problem, where Plato is consulted in the first year of the
Peloponnesian War to solve a match problem, to double the size of the cube.
The war begins in 431 BCE, Plato is born in 428 BCE.
2. There is an eclipse that occurs in the first year of the PPW. But it is
specifically described as being near total at Athens. The skies go dark and
the clouds come out but a small crescent is still seen. That is very, very
specific for the type of eclipse. The eclipse occurring in 431 BCE now
connected with this eclipse is too far away from Athens to create this
effect. Thus it is presumed to be an error or a mismatch. But since often
revisions need to replace eclipse events, we can investigate to see whether
or not any eclipse actually occurred in the context of #1, that is, at a
time when Plato was at least 20-30 years of age.
Now this is just a routine, academic inquiry to check on eclipses after
Plato was 20 years of age. Plato was born in 428 BCE so we are looking for
any eclipses that match the above eclipse between 408-398 BCE. There is
another criteria for this eclipse, however. It must occur during the 1st
year of the Olympic cycle! Now that narrows down our choices 4:1 for
matching this eclipse event.
During this period, the Olympics were held in 408, 404 and 400. Thus we
would look for eclipses in 407, 403, and 399. See how simple that is? The
wars were calculated from summer to summer. On January 18, 402 BCE we
found the eclipse! It would date the 1st year of the PPW beginning in 403
BCE, the 1st year of the Olympic cycle. It passed very close to Athens and
would indeed match the effect specifically mentioned for this eclipse!
http://www.geocities.com/siaxares/402PIC.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/siaxares/403darkcomp.JPG
In addition, we note that in 403 BCE, Plato would have been 25 years of age.
So it works!!
But that's not all. This has to be harmonized with the corrected Persian
Period dating. We know that Artaxerxes and Xerxes were the same king in
the Bible, and at Naqshi-Rustam Artaxerxes indeed is buried between Darius I
and Darius II (i.e. where Xerxes should have been buried). Xerxes has a
newer tomb dug out much later. Plus other evidence at Persepolis supports
not only that Darius only ruled for a mere six years but that Xerxes and
Artaxerxes are the same king.
The corrected chronology for the death of Darius is in the fall of 434 BCE,
21 years after the 1st of Cyrus in 455 BCE. The dating of the PPW beginning
in 403 BCE has to harmonize with this dating. That's because Darius I dies
at Marathon, which has to be his sixth year to harmonize the corrected
Persian timeline. Does it? YES.
We arrive at this because the 10th year of the PPW ends a 30-year peace
agreement instituted the year of Xerxes' invasion, which must have occurred
30 years earlier. Year 10 falls in 394 so Xerxes' invasion is dated to 424
BCE. But this also must be an Olympic year and an eclipse must occur during
the spring seen from Persia, per Herodotus. Does it? Yes. That means the
battle of Marathon occurs 10 years earlier in 434 BCE.
See? We get the death of Darius in his 6th year at Marathon by using either
the Persian dating, or the corrected Greek dating. So it is perfectly
harmonized.
The second reference is the death of Artaxerxes in the 8th year of the war,
which is 396 BCE. Artaxerxes and Xerxes are the same king. One legend is
that Xerxes was chosen over his older brothers because he was always called
"Prince Xerxes" being born the same year his father became king. Well he
ruled for 41 years so he would have begun his rule in 437 BCE. He was 18
years old when he began to rule (he was 59 when he died after 41 years), so
his "father" would have become king 18 years earlier in 455 BCE. Now that
is when Cyrus became king, who was the grandfather of Xerxes! Persepolis
proves that this legend does not apply to his father, Darius I, since Xerxes
is seen already as a young man when Persepolis began to be built in the 4th
year of Darius. But we can understand where the legend came from. The
kingship of Cyrus was all-important since it consolidated the Medo-Persian
empire into one royal family. Xerxes was the first royal heir under this
new kingship. Plus he had that famous longer right hand which made him a
shoe-in for the choice for the next king after Darius. It was so
important, it is clear that while Darius was the primary king, that young
Xerxes clearly was the heir and co-ruler.
So again, it checks out. Xerxes was born in 455 BCE and dies in 396 BCE at
59 years of age. So Greek and Persian corrections are completely
harmonized.
In the meantime, it is clear who revised Thucydides: Xenophon. Whom we see
not only joining with Plato to preserve/edit the dialogues of Socrates but
also writing the history of Cyrus and clearly involved with Persian affairs.
Plus there are all those other discrepancies.... like Archytas claiming to
know people who had died before he was born, Plato's mother having children
in her sixties rather than thirties, etc.
Ignore as much as you want and pretend there was no revisionism. I don't
see how you can. There's too much to ignore and too much that falls into
place!
INVESTIGATE everything that we have first, before deciding...
Lars Wilson
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