Re: utterly silenced for finding crib-bit on horses in the paleolithic
- From: Doug Weller <dweller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:57:09 +0000
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:35:15 -0800 (PST), in sci.archaeology, J.LyonLayden
wrote:
On Feb 13, 1:01 pm, Doug Weller <dwel...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I think the relevant citations are:
Bahn, P.G. 1978. "The 'unacceptable' face of the West European Upper
Paleolithic." Antiquity LII: 183-192.
Bahn, P.B. 1980. "Crib-biting: tethered horses in the Paleolithic?" World
Archeology 12: 212-217.
(1980): Crib-biting: tethered horses in the Paleolithic?. World
Archaeology, 12(2): 212-217. by Paul Bahn
Cook, J. 1980. "A re-examination of methods of study applicable to the
British Lower Paleolithic". World Archeology 12:218-226.
GAUTIER, A. (1998). The "unacceptable face" of the Western European
Palaeolithic revisited: the evidence for the presumed domestication of the
horse during that period. In: Proceedings of the XIII Congress. Workshop
3: The horse: its domestication, diffusion and role in past communities
(Forli, Italia, 8-14 September 1996), Vol. 6(1), 45-50. Forli: A.B.A.C.O.
Edizioni.
I don't know how Joe gets 'utterly silenced' out of this.
Oops:
* Journey through the Ice Age by Paul G. Bahn
Author(s) of Review: Lawrence G. Straus
American Antiquity, Vol. 63, No. 4 (Oct., 1998), pp. 718-719
doi:10.2307/2694130
See this article:
http://www.donsmaps.com/tools.html
Early Animal Domestication and Its Cultural Context
By Pam J. Crabtree, Douglas V. Campana, Kathleen Ryan 1989
examined 4 Upper Paleolithic horse teeth for bit wear but the teeth were
not in good enough shape to be useful.
Doug
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I may have been being overdramatic but I recall a correspondence
letter from Bahn where he said he used to theorize that crib bit in
the paleolithic indicated domestication, but his colleagues had
convinced him to shut up. It might have been in a letter to that
Mammoth Rider guy.
Are you sure you didn't see a claim about such a letter? I saw such a
claim from someone saying he'd recanted (which is not the same as shutting
up) and asked on Jacques Cinqs-Mars Prehistory forum, here is the
correspondence:
"Quote from: DougWeller on February 13, 2008, 10:45:18 AM
At one point Paul Bahn was arguing I believe for evidence of crib biting
in Paleolithic horses and of bridles.
Here: http://www.auelfans.ca/discus/messages/4/3995.html
someone is claiming that he's recanted these claims due to peer pressure?
Does anyone know:
1. Did he recant
2. Anything more about his or any other such claims?
Thanks
Doug
Dear Doug,
Quite a few years ago, I read pretty much everything that had ever been
written by Bahn and by earlier French prehistorians regarding putative
LUP horse domestication. A number of authors disagreed with Bahn's
interpretations and he responded accordingly. But he certainly did not
"recant" (a pretty strong word, by the way) because of "peer pressure"
(also a pretty hyped up way of describing normal scientific
disagreements). He just chose to put an end to the argument and went on to
do other things. By the way, if I had been a participant in this exchange,
I would have had to disagree with a number of Bahn' claims.
Regards,
Jacques."
It wouldn't be surprising if he decided he had nothing new to say so there
was no point in repeating himself endlessly.
Or even that he started to have some self-doubt, but not enough to change
his mind, just enough so that he wasn't going to push it any more.
I'd think that given your interests, the email you are thinking of is the
one claimed on the auelfans site.
Doug
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Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
Amun - co-owner/co-moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amun/
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