Re: Ancient Rome's Earliest [Augustan] Temple Reconstructed

Christopher Ingham wrote:

What was really said is this (the following
translation is mine):

Thank You! I appreciate you taking the time to search out the original
article and your translation of it.
Hopefully they (the Lupercal Boys) will not find a stain on the floor
of the cryptoporticus, if so the next day's headlines might read
'Caligula's Bloody Murder Location Found' :).

We still do not know which direction
Caligula took when leaving the theater
presumably in the precinct of the Temple
of Apollo.

[If you don't mind I like to go thru this again, if I'm being a 'pain in
the ass':) we can drop it. And I have been meaning to pick-up that book
about the assassination you mentioned last time]

Do you mean *within* precinct of the Temple of Apollo (Area Apollinis)
or just nearby?

Aren't they fairly certain that the wooden theater was in the 'Area
Palatina' just east of that?
From 'The Remains of Ancient Rome' by John H. Middleton.
"...while he (Caligula) was returning to his Palace from some theatrical
shows in the Area Palatina which was probably the site occupied by the
Flavian Palace; this is described by Joephus (Ant. Jud. xix 1. 14) and
by Seut. Cal. 58". I should have checked those before I posted, I don't
know if either one actually mentions the Area Palatina?

Also I have no cites but I know I've read one of these early 19thC
writers that said something like the theater was located 'next to' or
'alongside' the 'Pal'.
I took that to possibly mean that summit in the SE corner? He gave no
references to that fact so it's probably just his own?

And wouldn't the Area Apollinis be a bit crowded for a theater? You got
the big temple, big house, 2nd Temple of Vesta, etc and all surrounded
by a porticus.

Also I do agree with you from the last exchange we had awhile back.
(Damn! Because I so wanted *the* cryptoporticus to be the one I walked
thru in '06 that ends at the House of Livia:( )
This is from 'The Palatine' by the Soprintendenza Archeologica di
Roma'.
" Although ancient sources do not attribute to Tiberius the building of
an imperial residence, we know that this house, later owned by
Germanicus, was on the Palatine. Statius tells us that before becoming
emperor Claudius also lived in Tiberius' House."
You did say that there were houses on the Imperial property and you
were right and this one survived Caligula's palace construction.

But Augustus' residential property
definitely extended beyond the confines of
the archaeologically explored complex of
the SW Palatine. An annex or separate
residence of his was determined in 1995
to have stood on the NE Palatine. By
Caligula's time the palace extended to the
edge of the Forum.

From 'The Palatine' but I'll condense it in my own words.
Caligula adds an extension in the direction of the Forum (the 1st of
those high platforms?).
Caligula is actually building a *Palace* in that corner section of the
Hill (**see below).
In Augustus' time; "It was made up of a series of seperate domus of the
Late-Republican Age" (as you previously mentioned).

"In the time of Nero the domus was contained and enclosed by a base
consisting of a strong perimetrical wall. reinforced by buttresses. It
was only then that the real Palace was born and although it bore the
name of Tiberius, it was in fact built by Nero".

I'm assuming here that perhaps the 64 Fire also burned-out these domus
or Nero just took them.
And now the area between the House of Augustus/Liva and Caligula's
Palace is leveled-off with a artifical platform (like the 'Gardens of
Adonis' on the opposite side of the Hill) surrounded by walls?
Now *that* would be a good time to build a cryptoporticus underneath
this area and the one we see today going to the House of Livia would
***-up right against that wall? And they do attribute it to Nero?

My point finally is:).

I wonder if there was no cryptoporticus between the Area Apollinis and
the Palace in this time period? And this is just an assumption?

Perhaps he was just carried to the Palace and the cryptoporticus was
beneath this palace Caligula is building on the northern side of the
Hill?

His litter carriers are finished and his German Bodyguards dismissed
because Caligula is now within the confines of his Palace?

And the assassins actually run *into* the safety of the Palace
(Tiberius/Germanicus Domus) after the assassination?

The Praetorian Guards seem to have *total control* of the Palace.

They have time and are unhindred to murder Caligula's wife and child
plus find Claudius hiding behind the curtains:).

Meanwhile the German Guards just seem to be just running around
*outside* searching homes, killing people and holding the people in the
theater.

Also could Augustus' other residential property be, his family home?
They have found his birth home on the NE bottom slope of the Hill and I
recall reading that later while still a youth the family moved-up to a
higher location on the Hill (I guess they had a rich uncle:).
Regards, Walter

**From the Middleton book;
"The commanding view and the vinicity of this site to the Forum
Romanum, no doubt were among the chief reasons for its popularity, and
hence the feelings of indignation when Caligula absorbed nearly the
whole of the ground occupied by these, the finest among the private
houses of Rome, in order to build his gigantic palace which obliterated
all traces of these memorable buildings".



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