Galli, Celts and celtic culture
- From: "Uwe Müller" <uwemueller@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 09:29:12 +0200
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"J" <J@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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In article <g16fe8$jl8$1@xxxxxxxxx>, Uwe Müller <uwemueller@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
As soon as you speak of the celtic culture you have your concepts
wrapped in ever-linked circles. It's surely certain that the
archaeologists have conflated quite distinct cultures and called
them
Celtic. Which do you mean?
If you are 'surely certain' that the archaeologists have messed it all
up, why don't you tell me, where they went wrong?
The question is where is the celtic cultured centred and what area did
it
cover?
My first question would be: what is the celtic culture? the second
question
would ask for variations in time and space. Telling differences.
Yes.
The cultures of central Europe and western Europe appear to have been
falsely conflated and the Celts of western Britain having the same
name -
but no connection - with the Celts of central Europe.
What about eastern European celtic people, Hungary as an example, and
southern? They are well attested in both areas, in writing and with
archaeological finds.
Yes. But no real connection with what are called celts in Britain.
How can you be sure?
Without explaining what you mean by the term celtic, you can't work with it.
And simply adding up assumptions from different branches of science, as
Oppenheimer did, does not increase the quality of ones argunemts.
Right now the discussion goes on about how far celtic culture reached to
the north. See for instance the debates about the Glauberg finds (Hessia
had been considere little more than a fringe area before that) or about
the
distribution of the iron double drumhead fibulae in northern Germany.
But you must know all this already, don't you?
Yes. But that's not connected with Britain until much later when my lot
(probably from the Balkans) dropped into Britain with their tickets paid
for
by Rome. ;-)
But than the chariot burials rather point to northern France and the lower
Rhine.
Did I understand correctly, that you can point out no major topics, where
archaeologists went wrong concerning the celtic culture(s)?
Connecting the celtic culture of central Europe with those living in
western
Europe. It gets difficult using the same name for quite different
cultures.
That's why archaeologists map the distribution of all kinds of traits, to
find out which were used according to local, regional or multi-regional
standards.And they give names to these artefact assemblies, designing local,
regional and multi-regional groups. There is something like celtic
metalworking know-how, but there is no archaeological data for a common
celtic culture, as it is painted in roman sources.
have fun
Uwe Mueller
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