Re: Oldest skii Arctic and Greenland

Norah wrote, 02/06/2008 13:07:



"Peter Alaca" <p.alaca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet news:4843d16b$0$56135$dbd49001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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David wrote:
On Jun 1, 7:41 pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Norah wrote:
"Peter Alaca" <p.al...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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Norah wrote, 02/06/2008 01:16:
Under an other thread there was a discussion of how people could
have
crossed the ice from for example Sibiria to Greenland apr. 4000
years ago.
Due to a short note in the discussion dealing with skii-history I
would
like to put forward following:
* Greenland's oldest skii as far as now known is dated to around
1010 AD.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/html/news.html
please observe the interesting dating of the rug (1425 AD)
* the oldest known skii found and dated was found in Kalvträsk,
Vasterbotten, Sweden in 1924. C14 dated to 5200 BP
http://www.vasterbottensmuseum.se/imuseet/skidmuseet.php
It doesn't say that it is carbon dated
Good God Peter, how about looking a bit more into it. That
specific carbon
date we ALSO discussed the other year. I also believe it's
possible for you,
if you want to, to find the Professor at Umeå universitet who
short before
he got the Professur wrote about this skii in his homepage. You
find all ref
you want IF you want to find them that is!
Your claim, your responsibility to back it up. That's basic 7th
grade scholarly argumentation.

Surprised you didn't know that.
...
Would the 3 of you please stop arguing on sci.arch over
a MINOR DETAIL?
Whether or not the 5200 years ago date comes from 14C is not a
minor detail, but rather a claim that needs to be backed up.
Asking her to back her claims with valid references is not
nit-picking but rather a part of normal scholarly discourse. It
is normally provided when asked.
According to Wikipedia, the ski was dated by both C14 and
dendrochronology:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalvtr%C3%A4skskidan

The only links are back to the page cited by Inger, but several other
Swedish sites say that the ski was dated by C14.

Alan

And you will find same information if you look closer at the site's information on other pages. One of the first things I would have looked into had ref to a site I am not familiar with!

It is your job to provide that information.
And what has unfamiliarity to do with it?
I visit unknown sites all the time in search
for information.


> NO Peter,
> I provided the site and the page from where YOU if you want to be thought as
> a reliable scholar SHOULD, and WOULD have read what type of information the
> site and the page provide.

No Inger, it is your duty to back your claims up
with good references. Saying "look in a Swedish library"
is not enough.


> Had you been a scholar worthy to be called a scholar of science, you
> couldn't have missed:
> www.vasterbottensmuseum.se/pdf/Lararhandledning.pdf
> .
> YOU didn't, You aren't. Bad behavior on your part!


Your behaviour is insulting. Pointing to a
document in Swedish, with nothing about
the 14C dating of that skies.
This is from page 34


KALVTRÄSKSKIDAN
"En h.stdag 1924 gjordes ett sp.nnande fynd
utanf.r byn Kalvtr.sk i Skellefte. kommun.
N.gra m.n som var i f.rd med att dika ut en
myr p.tr.ffade tv. skidor och en stav, 1,5 m
ner i myren. P. senare .r har man daterat den
ena skidan med hj.lp av C-14 analys. Den
visade sig vara .ldre .n vad man f.rst
trodde. Hela 5Ê200 .r! Den .r .ldre .n
den.ldsta av Egyptens pyramider, och .r
d.rmed v.rldens .ldsta skida. Kort efter det
att skidorna tagits upp ur myren f.ll den ena
skidan s.nder. Den andra .r fortfarande
n.stan helt bevarad. Den .r 204 cm l.ng, 15,
5 cm bred och ganska tunn. Den har fyra h.l
som bindningsremmarna dragits genom. Framtill
och baktill p. skidan kan man se lagningar av
sprickor med krampor av r.hud. Staven .r en
skovelstav av samma typ som den samiska
kvinnostaven som ocks. hade en skovel .verst.
Samekvinnorna anv.nde den bland annat till
att skrapa fram bete .t renarna. Skovelstaven
fr.n sten.ldern har sp.r efter de stenverktyg
som den tillverkats med. Orsaken till att
Kalvtr.skskidan bevarats s. bra .r att den
har legat i en myr d.r lufttillf.rseln varit
minimal. Kalvtr.skskidan och m.nga andra
gamla skidor finns i Svenska Skidmuseet i
V.sterbottens museum."

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